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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    Wisconsin opened Bars and Restaurants last night. Bars were packed...This is going to come at a cost.
    stupid fucking people

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampdragon View Post
    stupid fucking people
    So Much of This.
    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampdragon View Post
    stupid fucking people
    And in New York:
    A barber working at a barbershop in a New York suburb that had been operating in defiance of the state's close order has tested positive for Covid-19, according to Ulster Country health officials.
    Ulster County health officials are searching for anyone who may have had their haircut at the barbershop over the last three weeks, a statement from the county says. Kingston is located roughly 90 miles north of New York City.
    "We are taking extraordinary measures to try and minimize the spread of this dangerous disease and learning that a barbershop has been operating illicitly for weeks with a COVID-19 positive employee is extraordinarily disheartening," said Dr. Carol Smith, the health commissioner for Ulster County, in a statement.
    County health officials are recommending anyone who received a haircut at the shop on Broadway during the past three weeks to get tested for the coronavirus.

    "This kind of direct contact has the potential to dramatically spread this virus throughout our community and beyond," Smith said.
    It's happening everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madducks View Post
    And in New York:


    It's happening everywhere.
    Is there ANY chance people like this can be sued? I mean the defied a lawful ordinance which may lead to others being harmed.
    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Masher View Post
    Sorrento Therapeutics is claiming they have a 100% anti-viral cure that could be available months before a vaccine. Looking deeper, they are a tiny company with some shady business in their past, so it seems to be hyperbole you would never see from legit medical people as a pump and dump on the stock. Still, if there is even a kernel of truth to the efficacy of the anti-body in controlled experiments, it is promising as part of an anti-viral cocktail that could flatten the mortality rate and get us back to normal living before a vaccine comes out.

    https://www.investors.com/news/techn...s-it-has-cure/
    What's the shady business? In reading on them, they've had a couple trials go bust, but it didn't seem fraudulent or anything like that. Their CEO is a big cheerleader - every solution is the greatest thing since sliced bread kinda guy - but I'm very curious for more info if you can share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chancellor View Post
    What's the shady business? In reading on them, they've had a couple trials go bust, but it didn't seem fraudulent or anything like that. Their CEO is a big cheerleader - every solution is the greatest thing since sliced bread kinda guy - but I'm very curious for more info if you can share.
    I can't find anything concrete--just investors who seem to have been burnt by them in the past, it seems, and scientist appalled by the over-the-top promises and misleading wording about a 100% cure without any human or even animal testing at this point. Right now, they have made fortunes for many, and a lot of those who claim to have made a ton have already cashed out, fearful that these grandiose claims are hyperbole aimed at pumping the stock.

    Reading those skeptical of the news reinforce my own concerns about the wording from the CEO, which again, makes it seem like a magic potion just ready to cure anyone who takes it will be right around the corner. The CEO is a PhD without clinical experience and he is making claims about this based solely on results in a petri dish. I'm trying to temper my desire for this to be even close to true and for it to be available soon with the likely best case reality that what they have found could be the first step to an effective anti-viral treatment cocktail (not preventative, because that is impractical given the varying time these antibodies stay effective in the body) that will still take six months or more to get to the public in the best of scenarios. And that is if the human trials go well. Still, even if it is just that, it is good news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    Wisconsin opened Bars and Restaurants last night. Bars were packed...This is going to come at a cost.
    I was never a big Green Day fan, but it's a good song. i never really listened to it before. it has an element of freewill to it.

    we should consider, what if there is never a real, long term vaccine for this. what if this virus stays with us and mutates every year like the flu. what if there will always be a second wave or a third one, or a 20th one. what if mankind is really fucked, and we haven't realized it yet.

    it's unlikely since this is the worst case scenario. but it's a corona-virus. sometimes they do that. i think it's incredible right now that we don't know. and we are bidding our time until we can figure it out.

    it's an incredible or inevitable coincidence that it happened right now at this time, with everything else going unruly in the world surfacing. maybe there is nothing we can do to stop it, and eventually everyone will become infected.

    we haven't gotten to the point of people gathering on top of the empire state building during an independence day like alien invasion holding signs welcoming them only to be blasted by death rays.

    i mean when you say the phrase social distancing, i am the GOAT of social distancing. if their was a sport for it, i would be MVP. i have alot of experience, tremendous, it comes natural, i am the biggest social distance person ever, i really understand this stuff. ..which makes me really worry about everyone else. i don't think the world can do it. it's our kryptonite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chancellor View Post
    LOL at Hanlon's Razor. My first semester college English professor brought that up in class early, asking two questions - first, where is this concept referenced in great literature, and second, why is it flawed?

    Well, there's only one piece of literature I knew that referenced the quote, and I knew what the author had said later about how it was only partly right, so I went for it.

    Answer: "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity.", and the author's point of view is that it's only partly right since most politicians are both villains and stupid.

    The prof and I became great friends - he got me a tutoring job two years later on campus when I badly needed the cash.

    It pays to read Heinlein.
    A corollary of Finagle's Law, similar to Occam's Razor, that reads "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." The derivation of the Hanlon eponym is not definitely known, but a very similar remark ("You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity.") appears in "Logic of Empire", a classic 1941 SF story by Robert A. Heinlein, who calls it the `devil theory' of sociology. Heinlein's popularity in the hacker culture makes plausible the supposition that `Hanlon' is derived from `Heinlein' by phonetic corruption. A similar epigram has been attributed to William James, but Heinlein more probably got the idea from Alfred Korzybski and other practitioners of General Semantics. Quoted here because it seems to be a particular favorite of hackers, often showing up in sig blocks, fortune cookie files and the login banners of BBS systems and commercial networks. This probably reflects the hacker's daily experience of environments created by well-intentioned but short-sighted people. Compare Sturgeon's Law, Ninety-Ninety Rule. https://www.eps.mcgill.ca/jargon/htm...27s-Razor.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Masher View Post
    I can't find anything concrete--just investors who seem to have been burnt by them in the past, it seems, and scientist appalled by the over-the-top promises and misleading wording about a 100% cure without any human or even animal testing at this point. Right now, they have made fortunes for many, and a lot of those who claim to have made a ton have already cashed out, fearful that these grandiose claims are hyperbole aimed at pumping the stock.

    Reading those skeptical of the news reinforce my own concerns about the wording from the CEO, which again, makes it seem like a magic potion just ready to cure anyone who takes it will be right around the corner. The CEO is a PhD without clinical experience and he is making claims about this based solely on results in a petri dish. I'm trying to temper my desire for this to be even close to true and for it to be available soon with the likely best case reality that what they have found could be the first step to an effective anti-viral treatment cocktail (not preventative, because that is impractical given the varying time these antibodies stay effective in the body) that will still take six months or more to get to the public in the best of scenarios. And that is if the human trials go well. Still, even if it is just that, it is good news.
    Thanks. No doubt the CEO is a cheerleader.
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    Another stats update as of 7:46 AM today. Last stats were from 5/13 at 7:46 AM, exactly 3 days ago:

    - 1,484,287 cases in US, up from 1,408,636, a 5.4% increase, which is a larger increase than last time (4.6%). The increases of the last 6 days give a doubling rate of about every 38.25 days. The new cases for this period were 75,651 compared to 61,318 for last time, for a ratio of 1.23, which is much higher than last time (0.73) but a comparison w the figure from 2 periods ago gives a more accurate picture. The new cases for 2 periods ago was 84.075 so a comparison w this period's new cases gives a rate of 0.90, which is higher than last time (0.82) but still encouraging.
    - 88,507 deaths in US, up from 83,425, a 6.1% increase which is a much larger increase than last time (4.2%). The increases of the last 6 days give a doubling rate of about every 41.3 days. At this rate, the US projects to hit 100,000 deaths by about May 22. The US mortality rate is now 5.96%, up slightly from 5.92%.
    - 4,603,907 cases worldwide, up from 4,361,691, a 5.6% increase which is about the same increase as last time (5.7%). The new cases for this period were 242,216 compared to 235,616 for last time, for a ratio of 1.03 which is much higher than last time (0.83) but a comparison w the figure from 2 periods ago gives a more accurate picture. The new cases for 2 periods ago was 282,757 so a comparison w this period's new cases gives a rate of 0.86, which is lower than last time (0.91).
    - 309,035 deaths worldwide, up from 293,266, a 5.4% increase which is a larger increase than last time (4.4%). The world mortality rate is 6.71%, about the same as last time (6.72%). Italy's mortality rate is 14.12%, up from 13.97%, Belgium's is 16.38%, same as last time (16.38%), Spain's is 11.95%, up sharply from 9.99%, France's is 15.34%, up from 15.14%, UK's is 14.36%, down from 14.44%, Germany's is 4.56%, up from 4.48% and Canada's is 7.32%, up from 7.14%.
    - 218 countries/territories/etc. have confirmed cases w suspected cases in 2 others (North Korea, Turkmenistan). There are only 10 countries, all of which are South Pacific Island republics, that have neither reported nor have suspected cases: Kiribati, Marshall Is., Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Samoa, Solomon Is., Tonga, Tuvalu, Vanuatu. The vast majority of countries have at least 1 death, w Vietnam having the most cases w no reported deaths, 318.

    Rates of increase were larger than last time and new cases rate were larger for both the US and the world but still below 1.0. Cases continue to surge in Russia, Brazil, Peru, India and the Middle East.

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