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I've heard the opposite, that actually medical facilities are incentivized to be liberal in counting both cases and deaths as CV-19 cases because they get more insurance money that way. I heard that if the symptoms are consistent w those of CV-19, the case is coded as a CV-19 whether they have a positive test result or not. So, if anything, we may be significantly overcounting the deaths, as well as the cases.Last edited by rhd; 05-07-2020, 02:06 PM. -
One's stance on this seems to be partisan, sadly. Liberal sources lament we are not testing the dead and fear numbers are under-reported. Conservatives, and most recently Trump, are claiming the opposite. Most medical courses I've found indicate their belief that both cases and deaths are being under-reported due to the lack of testing. The only sources I've found stating the opposite are non-medical sources, but I'm always open to more data, so if you come across any credible sources that suggest we are overcounting both cases and deaths, pleases post them. That means this is less bad then we think.Originally posted by rhd View PostComment
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This shouldn't be a conservative versus liberal argument. There is actual data that shows that COVID deaths are significantly undercounting excess deaths in a lot of locations. Unfortunately because of the time it takes for death certificates to be filed and the numbers to be compiled, those analyses are lagging several weeks behind the COVID accounting. But I don't see any evidence to support the idea that COVID deaths are being overcounted on a large scale. All the evidence seems to point the opposite direction.Originally posted by Sour Masher View Post
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"Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"Comment
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Yes, that is what I have seen too. I have yet to find a credible non-partisan source that claims we are over-counting deaths and cases. As for what conservatives would claim this, the motivation seems obvious--they want to open things back up more quickly. I don't know why the opposite would be true. I don't know why liberals and the media would want us to stay locked down. And I don't know why medical sources would be motivated to mislead us as well.Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View PostThis shouldn't be a conservative versus liberal argument. There is actual data that shows that COVID deaths are significantly undercounting excess deaths in a lot of locations. Unfortunately because of the time it takes for death certificates to be filed and the numbers to be compiled, those analyses are lagging several weeks behind the COVID accounting. But I don't see any evidence to support the idea that COVID deaths are being overcounted on a large scale. All the evidence seems to point the opposite direction.
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...h-toll-us.htmlLast edited by Sour Masher; 05-07-2020, 03:43 PM.Comment
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Because it hurts Trump, duh!Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostIf DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel PaigeComment
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Any non-fake-news sources?Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View PostThis shouldn't be a conservative versus liberal argument. There is actual data that shows that COVID deaths are significantly undercounting excess deaths in a lot of locations. Unfortunately because of the time it takes for death certificates to be filed and the numbers to be compiled, those analyses are lagging several weeks behind the COVID accounting. But I don't see any evidence to support the idea that COVID deaths are being overcounted on a large scale. All the evidence seems to point the opposite direction.
A few links:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...h-toll-us.htmlI'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...Comment
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My Mother In Law passed in the hospital on March 22nd (non covid related). It took us a month to get the death certificate. There were many reasons why it took so long, but the main reason was quarantine and all the complications that went with it.Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View PostThis shouldn't be a conservative versus liberal argument. There is actual data that shows that COVID deaths are significantly undercounting excess deaths in a lot of locations. Unfortunately because of the time it takes for death certificates to be filed and the numbers to be compiled, those analyses are lagging several weeks behind the COVID accounting. But I don't see any evidence to support the idea that COVID deaths are being overcounted on a large scale. All the evidence seems to point the opposite direction.
A few links:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...h-toll-us.htmlComment
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My friend ran into a writer for infowars the other day.Originally posted by heyelander View Post
Well, actually, not just a writer but Alex Jones' adopted sister.Comment
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One of my friends went to HS with Alex Jones.Originally posted by Ken View Post
My wife went to HS with that Breitbart writer who got publicly pummeled for issuing that phony fact check a couple weeks ago.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel PaigeComment
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hopefully your friend's car is okay. Insurance cover the damage?Originally posted by Ken View PostI'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...Comment
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Who needs insurance, my friend will just claim that it was all fake, crisis actor cars.Originally posted by heyelander View PostComment
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I used to watch Alex Jones on late night cable access TV in Austin when I couldn't sleep (and obviously there was nothing else on). I never would have thought then that he would become a national media personality. I still find it hard to comprehend.Originally posted by DMT View Post"Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"Comment
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It's a reflection on how broken our country is.Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View PostIf DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel PaigeComment
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It's also a reflection of our governments creating so much distrust in them through their shady and manipulative actions in many areas of our livesOriginally posted by DMT View Post"I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."Comment
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