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    GITH: Was it worth it?

    If I recall correctly, and I'm not going to go looking in four-year-old threads to figure it out, you voted for Trump because you wanted to blow up the system, and if things failed because he was an incompetent, maybe that was for the best.

    How are you feeling now? It's 70 degrees in Antarctica and we're fighting the idea of climate change, our only international friends are Russia, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the Philippines, and many of the insane things that have happened domestically are clearly horrible. On the other hand, if we had a normal president (especially a Democrat), maybe we wouldn't have Bernie and AOC and Warren stirring things up as much as they are and actually getting listened to, and maybe we really are heading down a path of non-centrist left-wing politics having a voice.

    It's easy for me to be blase about how bad things are because they mostly don't directly affect me, and I really don't know what I think here.
    In the best of times, our days are numbered, anyway. And it would be a crime against Nature for any generation to take the world crisis so solemnly that it put off enjoying those things for which we were presumably designed in the first place, and which the gravest statesmen and the hoarsest politicians hope to make available to all men in the end: I mean the opportunity to do good work, to fall in love, to enjoy friends, to sit under trees, to read, to hit a ball and bounce the baby.

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    You forgot north Korea
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjl View Post
    If I recall correctly, and I'm not going to go looking in four-year-old threads to figure it out, you voted for Trump because you wanted to blow up the system, and if things failed because he was an incompetent, maybe that was for the best.

    How are you feeling now? It's 70 degrees in Antarctica and we're fighting the idea of climate change, our only international friends are Russia, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the Philippines, and many of the insane things that have happened domestically are clearly horrible. On the other hand, if we had a normal president (especially a Democrat), maybe we wouldn't have Bernie and AOC and Warren stirring things up as much as they are and actually getting listened to, and maybe we really are heading down a path of non-centrist left-wing politics having a voice.

    It's easy for me to be blase about how bad things are because they mostly don't directly affect me, and I really don't know what I think here.
    Let me correct you on a couple of this and point out where we disagree.

    I never voted for Trump, never said I voted for Trump. I just didn't Vote HRC--I voted Johnson in NV and HRC carried NV anyhow, Like I've mentioned many times--I vote my conscience no matter what, but in the scheme of things--it wouldn't matter if I did or not as every place I've lived and voted over the past 10 years has been Blue and will be no matter what I do/vote. (Currently back in Cali so there you go)

    If you're trying to attribute global warming to Trump, come on--really? I know he's poured some gas on an already out of control fire, but nothing that can't be undone if the Dems get back in the White House-It's also something that should have been addressed decades ago so it sits in the laps of MANY presidents Past. Our allies will come back once sanity is restored and IMO we shouldn't be so Palsı with Israel or Saudi Arabia in the first place. The things happening domestically--again, will stop once Democrats are back in charge. What has Trump done that's irreversible? It's horrible and he's a colossal piece of shit--but we can flush him in November right? North Korea? They're a nothing burger like they've always been--just an episode on Trumps reality TV Presidency--Stay Tuned for Finland next!

    What have we learned?

    That System everyone said I was so Naïve about (thinking it should be ethical and fair) has shown it is tremendously flawed and can be pretty much overthrown if the right circumstance presents itself----You guys still OK with leaving it as it is or do you want to see changes made to buttress it's ability to PREVENT future president/regimes from doing the same thing as Trump?

    I'll assume you've learned a lesson that expecting/demanding the system to be fair and ethical is now a bit higher on your priority lists. That's a good thing.

    We've learned that the GOP and pretty much every Republican in congress/Govts (both Federal and State) have NO moral compass, they not only didn't prevent Trump from doing shit things--they enabled and protected him to do it/ while he did it. We now now--there is NO HONOR among them None. and that there are those in our nation who will support him no matter how big a piece of shit he is--Knowing the moral character of those around you is another good thing--isn't it? Cuz though you used to think only old uncle Marty was a bit racist, you now know several of your friends from High School are as well, saves you time and energy as you no longer have to deal with those folks anymore.

    Like you--Trump's policies don't really affect me at all, he's just a horrible person I'd like to see gone and forgotten ASAP. And yeah, I thought there would be SOME of the GOP who'd stand up and neuters this idiot, but I never though (nor do I believe anyone thought) they'd all be sucking him off like they are/have been.

    So am I happy Trumps President and has done what he's done? Hell No, but I wouldn't have been happy if they'd rewarded HRC and the DNC's unethical and biased behavior by electing her.

    So, was it worth it? --Did we learn anything? If we did--then yes. If we didn't--we deserve whatever we might get.

    Like you said--It's given a TRUE opportunity to voices like Sanders and AOC, one they would not have had if HRC had been President. In fact--If she had won I could absolutely see her going out of her way to hurt Sanders politically as she's a vindictive person (which we're seeing in absolute clarity right now)
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    You make some good points but ignore the tremendous suffering he has inflicted on vulnerable populations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMT View Post
    You make some good points but ignore the tremendous suffering he has inflicted on vulnerable populations.
    I am well aware of these things and am not ignoring anything. It's part of the situation that will be remedied once democrats are back in charge.
    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
    I am well aware of these things and am not ignoring anything. It's part of the situation that will be remedied once democrats are back in charge.
    Traumatic events linger for victims much longer than four years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMT View Post
    Traumatic events linger for victims much longer than four years.
    Agreed and had the DNC and HRC acted with integrity, it could have all been avoided.
    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by DMT View Post
    You make some good points but ignore the tremendous suffering he has inflicted on vulnerable populations.
    This is the part that gets me the most. But hey, if you're not a middle aged white guy...who cares. Trump rules!!

    FUCK TRUMP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithrandir View Post
    This is the part that gets me the most. But hey, if you're not a middle aged white guy...who cares. Trump rules!!

    FUCK TRUMP.
    On this, I think we all can agree and those who don't can eat a bag of dicks.
    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

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