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Originally posted by Gregg View Postum...the candidates themselves are a bit negative. There have been negative comments about each candidate. I wondered if there was a consensus of the Democratic RJers?
Nice seeing you back.
I appreciate your answer.
There is a such a fine line in the primaries for me - because on one hand this is literally the time to nitpick and point out very minor differences between relatively likeminded people, but there is such a culture within the more vocal minority of fellow progressive (and often times younger) voters where it's like "We agree on 99% of things, but because there is 1% we don't agree on, you're the enemy!" type thing.
I find that exhausting.
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Originally posted by Stephen View PostThat's fair and I wasn't directing that specifically at you, but rather the general trend of divisive politics where we tear down candidates we don't like, rather than build up the ones we do. The wording wasn't the best, I admit.
There is a such a fine line in the primaries for me - because on one hand this is literally the time to nitpick and point out very minor differences between relatively likeminded people, but there is such a culture within the more vocal minority of fellow progressive (and often times younger) voters where it's like "We agree on 99% of things, but because there is 1% we don't agree on, you're the enemy!" type thing.
I find that exhausting.
Uh, no.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Originally posted by Stephen View PostThat's fair and I wasn't directing that specifically at you, but rather the general trend of divisive politics where we tear down candidates we don't like, rather than build up the ones we do. The wording wasn't the best, I admit.
There is a such a fine line in the primaries for me - because on one hand this is literally the time to nitpick and point out very minor differences between relatively likeminded people, but there is such a culture within the more vocal minority of fellow progressive (and often times younger) voters where it's like "We agree on 99% of things, but because there is 1% we don't agree on, you're the enemy!" type thing.
I find that exhausting.
I hated the choices in the last election. Doesn't seem to be getting better.
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Originally posted by Gregg View PostYes it is exhausting.
I hated the choices in the last election. Doesn't seem to be getting better.
Please tell me how any of my critiques are unfair, if that's indeed what you think.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostSanders' platform is in 99% agreement with the other candidates?
Uh, no.
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Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostGregg, why would you start a discussion about a topic you find exhausting?
Please tell me how any of my critiques are unfair, if that's indeed what you think.
I seriously would not try to argue any of the points you made off the top of my head as I am not equipped nor do I have the desire. I appreciate you taking the time to write them. If there is something blatantly unfair I would assume some of the other Dems would correct you or call you out.
I am almost jealous of your passion for politics. I do not have it.
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I think each of the candidates presents a unique set of strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats with respect to first electability, second policy/platform, and third judgment/execution effectiveness.
I think your question is focused on policy/platform/judgment/execution, not electability, but I'm looking across all of them. If I'm setting aside electability, then I think Warren is still my first choice. Adding electability back in, I think it may be Sanders. He's just proving better at connecting with voters and their concerns. I think Bloomberg is very strong on execution and his resources certainly help electability. Biden is my least favorite of the top five, but he could still turn me around if he can get his act together.
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Maybe the question should be: who do you think will win the Democratic nomination? I would be more interested in those responses than who is the worst
(No disrespect at all Gregg, I greatly appreciate your point of view and don’t want to step on your toes)
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostI think each of the candidates presents a unique set of strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats with respect to first electability, second policy/platform, and third judgment/execution effectiveness.
I think your question is focused on policy/platform/judgment/execution, not electability, but I'm looking across all of them. If I'm setting aside electability, then I think Warren is still my first choice. Adding electability back in, I think it may be Sanders. He's just proving better at connecting with voters and their concerns. I think Bloomberg is very strong on execution and his resources certainly help electability. Biden is my least favorite of the top five, but he could still turn me around if he can get his act together.
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Originally posted by nots View PostMaybe the question should be: who do you think will win the Democratic nomination? I would be more interested in those responses than who is the worst
(No disrespect at all Gregg, I greatly appreciate your point of view and don’t want to step on your toes)
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Originally posted by nots View PostMaybe the question should be: who do you think will win the Democratic nomination? I would be more interested in those responses than who is the worst
(No disrespect at all Gregg, I greatly appreciate your point of view and don’t want to step on your toes)
I don't think RJ has one yet. I thought there might be unity in the worst one. I am surprised that this question was much more complicated than I imagined.
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Originally posted by Gregg View PostNo problem.
I don't think RJ has one yet. I thought there might be unity in the worst one. I am surprised that this question was much more complicated than I imagined.
As far as I'm concerned, all the right ideology (whatever that is) mean nothing if you can't gain power. If your platform is good, and you lose the election, what does the platform matter? Look at the recent experience of the Labour Party in the UK. Some of their "manifesto" is very good stuff (as well as some of it being left-wing tripe), but their "leadership" was totally tone-deaf and unconcerned with the day-to-day lives of the electorate. They got their tails kicked by the Conservatives (led by a man with about as much morality as our President), and the good of the defeated parties' platforms will be as irrelevant as the bad.
If I'm as against President Trump as most here seem to be (and indeed I am), my concern is about winning--period. Perhaps some get some pleasure out of being right in principle, but I'd rather be right and in office. And while I don't see a way as of now for any of the remaining Democrats to win the general election, I'm also aware that (a) it's over eight months until Election Day, and (b) no one saw a way for the eventual Republican nominee to beat the "inevitable Clinton landslide" four years ago.Only the madman is absolutely sure. -Robert Anton Wilson, novelist (1932-2007)
Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
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