Thoughts on proposed scoring changes in H2H league

[virgonomic]

14 team 5x5 H2H league with standard cats. It's a keep forever league with 4 mandatory keepers and up to 4 late round keepers.

We are voting on the following changes:

1. Change from BA to OBP
2. Change from SV to SV+HLD

I've never been in a league with other. Would you vote Yay or Nay and why?

[onejayhawk]

BA to OBA tends to favor power, which is already a concern. That said, it's closer to RL baseball.

I have been in multiple Sv+H leagues. No problem with that switch. It tends to shift RP focus to total Ks. As a footnote, PitcherList does a Sv+H ranking once a week during the season.

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[Sour Masher]

I like both changes, but if possible, Savesx2+holds may be even better. Gives value to holds, so opens up the talent pool, but still favors closers, which is more like tradional leagues and still fund to chase saves/closers.

[Hornsby]

We changed to solds (saves + holds) last year and While I thought I would like it, I really didn't. Adding the holds in there makes it almost too easy to compete, and to make up ground.

[onejayhawk]

I like both changes, but if possible, Savesx2+holds may be even better. Gives value to holds, so opens up the talent pool, but still favors closers, which is more like tradional leagues and still fund to chase saves/closers.

I tend to go the other direction and do net saves + holds.

We changed to solds (saves + holds) last year and While I thought I would like it, I really didn't. Adding the holds in there makes it almost too easy to compete, and to make up ground.

It is easier to find talent cheap. That takes getting used to.

[chancellor]

Like the OBP switch, don’t like S+H. As Horns noted, the RP part of the pool essentially all turns into endgame plays, with a handful of exceptions the have great ratios and get tons of Ks (Josh Hader, for example).

[Gregg]

Like the OBP switch, don’t like S+H. As Horns noted, the RP part of the pool essentially all turns into endgame plays, with a handful of exceptions the have great ratios and get tons of Ks (Josh Hader, for example).

Agreed.

We went to OBP a few years ago and it has been fine.

We voted down holds for reasons stated above.

[Art Vandelay]

14 team 5x5 H2H league with standard cats. It's a keep forever league with 4 mandatory keepers and up to 4 late round keepers.

We are voting on the following changes:

1. Change from BA to OBP
2. Change from SV to SV+HLD

I've never been in a league with other. Would you vote Yay or Nay and why?

we went to on base % about 10 years ago, never looked back.

starting in 2021, we are going saves + holdsx3.

[Sour Masher]

we went to on base % about 10 years ago, never looked back.

starting in 2021, we are going saves + holdsx3.

What is the logic of making holds 3 x more valuable than saves?

[Art Vandelay]

What is the logic of making holds 3 x more valuable than saves?

ooops, my bad...I wrote it backwards.

save is worth three times more than a hold.

save times 3 + hold

a gm in our league already has exposure to saves and holds and said his league went through a couple of iterations before settling on this formula.

[Sour Masher]

ooops, my bad...I wrote it backwards.

save is worth three times more than a hold.

save times 3 + hold

a gm in our league already has exposure to saves and holds and said his league went through a couple of iterations before settling on this formula.

Yeah, I think 2x is best, but 3x works. Still gives a bit more value to the elite non-closers, which is nice.

[cavebird]

I think the best mix between saves and holds depends on whether it is a weekly or daily league. If it is weekly, you can do it 1-1 (because closers get more saves than MR's get holds) or 2-1. 3-1 is probably necessary for daily leagues. The reason (that I have learned the hard way in revo's online league the last two years, lol) is that when it is weekly, you can't just go cheap on relievers and make it up with a bulk of MR's without killing yourself in K's and W's. In daily leagues, you can do that much more easily.

[virgonomic]

I think the best mix between saves and holds depends on whether it is a weekly or daily league. If it is weekly, you can do it 1-1 (because closers get more saves than MR's get holds) or 2-1. 3-1 is probably necessary for daily leagues. The reason (that I have learned the hard way in revo's online league the last two years, lol) is that when it is weekly, you can't just go cheap on relievers and make it up with a bulk of MR's without killing yourself in K's and W's. In daily leagues, you can do that much more easily.

Good consideration. It's daily.

[cavebird]

Since it's daily, I would go at least 2-1---and I think 3-1 would be better. Too much streaming in daily.

[onejayhawk]

This is why I like leagues with transaction limits. Streaming is not an option if you have 30 adds for a whole season.