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    Quote Originally Posted by onejayhawk View Post
    What you left out was the league rule that designed to prevent exactly that sort of dump deal. I see you are still taking the dump over enforcing the rules. IIRC at least three people left the league over the issue.

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    No, dealing for a player who had the potential to be the best in the league in a year or two was NOT the intent of the rule...it was a case where both parties would have been winners. But you and Randy voted veto because the deal didn't benefit you personally, not because it was a bad deal.
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    No, dealing for a player who had the potential to be the best in the league in a year or two was NOT the intent of the rule...it was a case where both parties would have been winners. But you and Randy voted veto because the deal didn't benefit you personally, not because it was a bad deal.
    I never said it was the intent of the rule. I said the rule was to prevent dumps.

    You could trade for anyone so long as you gave and received equivalent current year value. There was nothing like equivalent value for the remainder of that year, hence a rule violation. You were unethical and close to cheating and it broke up the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onejayhawk View Post
    I never said it was the intent of the rule. I said the rule was to prevent dumps.

    You could trade for anyone so long as you gave and received equivalent current year value. There was nothing like equivalent value for the remainder of that year, hence a rule violation. You were unethical and close to cheating and it broke up the league.

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    Wasn't me that made the deal...and you and Randy killed the league with your veto. And that wasn't in the rules at all...equivalent value was in the eye of the traders.

    The point is simple...there should never be a veto provision in a league IMO, unless there is CLEAR evidence of collusion.
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    In all the years I have played I think there was only 1 trade vetoed. It occurred in 12TO 1st season. Since I was the Commish I mostly remember mostly trying to calm the stormy seas. It was not much fun. You have to be careful on vetoing trades and just can't do it because it doesn't benefit your team. It has to be collusion which is very hard to prove or you have a owner with no clue in the ocean with a shark circling him.

    This trade doesn't show either and has been proven to be fairly close. It obviously is not Onejayhawk's opinion on this but he asked if the trade should be vetoed and was given several answers apparently not to his liking. Perhaps it just time to move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onejayhawk View Post
    Fine. The rule was clear and the violation was obvious. Your defense of breaking the rule was, and is, unethical.

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    LOL...there was no violation and it most certainly was NOT unethical. Both sides in the deal would have received what they desired, and needed.

    Vetos are a garbage way to run a league, and as was the case in the basketball league, a perfect way to drive it out of business.
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    I will grant I did not consider it at all close but also not abusive. That at least has been clarified. Regardless, the vote went against it.

    I have been in leagues where trades were vetoed and both players were thought to be getting the shaft.

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    I'll bite: the vote went against what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Jude View Post
    I'll bite: the vote went against what?
    See OP.

    Nick Senzel Cin - 3B NA + Carlos Correa Hou - SS

    For

    Yasiel Puig Cin - OF + Sean Newcomb Atl - SP

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    so the deal was approved, or was it vetoed?
    36th yr in same 12-team NL 5x5
    rallied to within 10 pts out of 3rd at the ASB
    won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

    SP Scherzer 44, Keuchel LD, CSmith 1, Roark 8, Samardzija 1, Mahle, Pivetta 10
    RP Jeffress 1, Dyson
    C Realmuto 13, C Posey 12, 1B Votto 27, 3B TFrazier 2, 13 Belt 10, 2B KMarte LD, SS DeJong LD, 2S BCrawford 9
    OF Harper LD, Eaton LD, CDickerson 17, Dyson 8, Bruce LD, UT Cooper
    IL: SP Cueto 1, RP TGuerrero, SS EGonzalez 2
    minors: OFs NWilliams 2, Daza, RDavis

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    After reading this thread I'm just glad I'm not in any league with 1J

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