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    These defendants appear drawn from the demographic who maybe isn't quite rich enough to buy the college a new library but who are rich enough to pay for college application and college essay consultants and private tutors and application-burnishing trips to build huts in Guatemala or private athletic coaches and expensive club sports, etc. The demographic who often complains about race-based affirmative action programs, too. Obviously this is blatant fraud and bribery, but it's part of a broader issue of unearned privilege. And while it doesn't appear the colleges and universities at the admissions or leadership level (beyond athletic coaches) are directly implicated, why the heck should there be side-door admissions processes for kids who play expensive non-revenue generating sports like crew and water polo and fencing in the first place? At least with revenue generating sports like football and basketball (only at the Division I level there, even), there's a dollars and cents justification for sliding standards, rather than just amplifying pre-existing privilege.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-fly View Post
    these defendants appear drawn from the demographic who maybe isn't quite rich enough to buy the college a new library but who are rich enough to pay for college application and college essay consultants and private tutors and application-burnishing trips to build huts in guatemala or private athletic coaches and expensive club sports, etc. The demographic who often complains about race-based affirmative action programs, too. Obviously this is blatant fraud and bribery, but it's part of a broader issue of unearned privilege. And while it doesn't appear the colleges and universities at the admissions or leadership level (beyond athletic coaches) are directly implicated, why the heck should there be side-door admissions processes for kids who play expensive non-revenue generating sports like crew and water polo and fencing in the first place? At least with revenue generating sports like football and basketball (only at the division i level there, even), there's a dollars and cents justification for sliding standards, rather than just amplifying pre-existing privilege.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B-Fly View Post
    why the heck should there be side-door admissions processes for kids who play expensive non-revenue generating sports like crew and water polo and fencing in the first place? At least with revenue generating sports like football and basketball (only at the Division I level there, even), there's a dollars and cents justification for sliding standards, rather than just amplifying pre-existing privilege.
    I think the question of why should there be side-door admissions processes for kids who play any sports is the easiest to tackle. There shouldn't. It makes sense for sports to provide a scholarship, it doesn't make sense for sports to change entrance requirements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    I think the question of why should there be side-door admissions processes for kids who play any sports is the easiest to tackle. There shouldn't. It makes sense for sports to provide a scholarship, it doesn't make sense for sports to change entrance requirements.
    so - everybody needs to meet the same academic standards then money can be alloted for scholarships based on what?

    that doesnt really work either - it is too complicated for that

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampdragon View Post
    so - everybody needs to meet the same academic standards then money can be alloted for scholarships based on what?

    that doesnt really work either - it is too complicated for that
    Huh? All I'm saying is eliminate the loophole of "if you are a star athlete you don't have to pass our academic requirements to come to our college"

    Entrance and funding are separate topics.

    How is that "too complicated"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    I think the question of why should there be side-door admissions processes for kids who play any sports is the easiest to tackle. There shouldn't. It makes sense for sports to provide a scholarship, it doesn't make sense for sports to change entrance requirements.
    I do think that football and basketball are a different animal. They are revenue generators for schools. I imagine that Top 10 programs probably support a lot of the revenue losing sports. I think in those two sports, you have kids that have amazing skills, but don't meet the academic riggers of the school, but need a place to showcase their talent.

    We can talk about the NFL and NBA not having a "farm-system", but that is another conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by In the Corn View Post
    I do think that football and basketball are a different animal. They are revenue generators for schools. I imagine that Top 10 programs probably support a lot of the revenue losing sports. I think in those two sports, you have kids that have amazing skills, but don't meet the academic riggers of the school, but need a place to showcase their talent.
    That scenario already exists. If you follow any major college program you'll notice that there are players every year who are signed, but don't make the grades and have to go the JuCo route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    Huh? All I'm saying is eliminate the loophole of "if you are a star athlete you don't have to pass our academic requirements to come to our college"

    Entrance and funding are separate topics.

    How is that "too complicated"?
    I understand the concept to eliminate the athlete loophole but disagree that entrance and funding aren't linked.

    If you run a college and have candidate A with great credentials and candidate B with the same credentials but candidate A needs financial aid and B will be full pay - which one gets in? a few schools dont care - but almost all others do

    nevermind - I think you mean entrance/funding is a linked topic different than sports

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampdragon View Post
    If you run a college and have candidate A with great credentials and candidate B with the same credentials but candidate A needs financial aid and B will be full pay - which one gets in? a few schools dont care - but almost all others do
    Weird, maybe it's because I was applying many years ago, but I submitted a lot of college applications and none of them asked me how I would be paying for college in my memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    Weird, maybe it's because I was applying many years ago, but I submitted a lot of college applications and none of them asked me how I would be paying for college.
    Now if you want to be eligible for aid you need to fill out a FAFSA form. So you could probably apply but you would not receive any aid at all if you didn't fill out the FAFSA. I think this is probably true of just about 100% of colleges.

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