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"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostI'm sure it wasn't your intent here, but I'm reading and re-reading this statement and it's bizarre to me on its face, so maybe you can clarify. Do you have to stop qualifying yourself as Christian to remove doubts others may have about your allegiance to the US?
There has been some good conversation since my post, and I am in agreement with what other's have said. We host a lot different roles and allegiances. When we qualify the allegiance it shows that I'm holding back.
I'll use my faith as an example, hoping it helps to clarify even more.
I'm a Christian. I don't consider myself a Christian-American or American Christian. They lessen each other. My faith has little to do with me being an American. I view many things from the lens of a Christian, and I view things from the lens of an American. There are many things in America that go on that my "Christian lens" doesn't agree with, but I see the value of individual freedom more important, as I don't expect everyone in America to live out my values as a Christian.
We definitely can/should/do have allegiance/love for other countries/cultures/religions, but we can't pour those lens over the American lens when it comes to the laws, liberties, etc. that America is based upon.
I hope that makes sense."Looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
- Steven McCrosky (Lloyd Bridges) in Airplane
i have epiphanies like that all the time. for example i was watching a basketball game today and realized pom poms are like a pair of tits. there's 2 of them. they're round. they shake. women play with them. thus instead of having two, cheerleaders have four boobs.
- nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.
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Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View PostSo what does that mean for Walter Heisenberg when Germany asks him to build an atomic bomb? Or one might ask the same of the scientists recruited to the Manhattan Project, although that starts to hit a little closer to home.
I'll admit than when some U.S. court rules that a foreigner doesn't have constitutional rights because they aren't an American citizen, that always rubs me a bit wrong, even if it's a legally correct decision. My allegiance isn't ultimately to a system that says, "screw the foreigner" because they aren't an American citizen. That person has the same rights I have, or they ought to, and I believe in that more than I pledge allegiance to any American republic.
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Originally posted by In the Corn View PostI should have included Christian in the groups I named. My point being that when we put a qualifier on something it lessens that thing. In a time when we are so completely fractured as a society the qualifiers that people place in front of American only continues to divide.
There has been some good conversation since my post, and I am in agreement with what other's have said. We host a lot different roles and allegiances. When we qualify the allegiance it shows that I'm holding back.
I'll use my faith as an example, hoping it helps to clarify even more.
I'm a Christian. I don't consider myself a Christian-American or American Christian. They lessen each other. My faith has little to do with me being an American. I view many things from the lens of a Christian, and I view things from the lens of an American. There are many things in America that go on that my "Christian lens" doesn't agree with, but I see the value of individual freedom more important, as I don't expect everyone in America to live out my values as a Christian.
We definitely can/should/do have allegiance/love for other countries/cultures/religions, but we can't pour those lens over the American lens when it comes to the laws, liberties, etc. that America is based upon.
I hope that makes sense.
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Originally posted by senorsheep View PostIf that wasn't a consideration, where would you go?If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostMost likely New Zealand."I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostYes. I think it aligns with what I've been saying. That your definition 2 "allegiance" to your faith can be held without it presenting a "dual loyalty" problem with respect to your definition 1b "allegiance" the US. Although I think you're also saying that you hold an identity-based or even love-based definition 2 allegiance to the USA, rather than just a definition 1b legal, citizen-sovereign allegiance. Yes?"Looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
- Steven McCrosky (Lloyd Bridges) in Airplane
i have epiphanies like that all the time. for example i was watching a basketball game today and realized pom poms are like a pair of tits. there's 2 of them. they're round. they shake. women play with them. thus instead of having two, cheerleaders have four boobs.
- nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.
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Here's the article that caused quite the stir with Omar disparaging Democrat Royality, Barack Obama: https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...c-party-225696
Omar says the “hope and change” offered by Barack Obama was a mirage. Recalling the “caging of kids” at the U.S.-Mexico border and the “droning of countries around the world” on Obama’s watch, she argues that the Democratic president operated within the same fundamentally broken framework as his Republican successor.
“We can’t be only upset with Trump. … His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was,” Omar says.
I think it shows that there are more moderates in this here United States than we think. But to quote another freshman Representative, "Meh.""Looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
- Steven McCrosky (Lloyd Bridges) in Airplane
i have epiphanies like that all the time. for example i was watching a basketball game today and realized pom poms are like a pair of tits. there's 2 of them. they're round. they shake. women play with them. thus instead of having two, cheerleaders have four boobs.
- nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.
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Why is someone deemed "too-liberal" for speaking the truth?If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by In the Corn View PostHere's the article that caused quite the stir with Omar disparaging Democrat Royality, Barack Obama: https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...c-party-225696
I would recommend reading the article. The broader context on the article is the striking difference between Omar and her fellow freshman Representative Dean Phillips in the district right next to her's. It points to the whole debate between the liberal-left from safe districts versus moderate Democrats in purple districts.
I think it shows that there are more moderates in this here United States than we think. But to quote another freshman Representative, "Meh."---------------------------------------------
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostSo what are the policies that moderates support ? What are there values ? Their accomplishments ? Of the recent Presidents were any of them moderates ? I might need to start a new thread.
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Oh. In that case, never mind. - Wonderboy
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Bah...OJH caught me. - Pogues
I don't know if you guys are being willfully ignorant, but... - Judge Jude
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So the right wing is feigning offense over Omar's comment about 9/11 "some people did some things". The President jumped in with a disgusting tweet, and the death threats ramp up again. I hope none of Omar, Tlaib, Pressly, AOC are targeted for assassination, but the current atmosphere of Alex Jones' level stochastic terrorism makes me think it's only a matter of time.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostSo the right wing is feigning offense over Omar's comment about 9/11 "some people did some things". The President jumped in with a disgusting tweet, and the death threats ramp up again. I hope none of Omar, Tlaib, Pressly, AOC are targeted for assassination, but the current atmosphere of Alex Jones' level stochastic terrorism makes me think it's only a matter of time.
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostTrump's tweet was awful and reasonably raises the question of stochastic terrorism. I hope Rep. Omar is being assigned extra protection. That said, Rep. Omar also appears to be building her brand by courting controversy, and the "some people did some things" line was distastefully flippant given the many lives lost to deliberate terrorism against the US on that day. I absolutely support her right to be bold and controversial in her policies, positions and public advocacy, but Trump or no Trump, it appears that she's deliberately drawing heat from the American right like an accomplished WWE heel.
To think that someone already receiving death threats would intentionally make statements to invite more death threats is completely bizarre.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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