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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostSorry dude, corporations negotiating with the state for subsidies/money is the exact oppostite free market capitalism. Don't know what else to say.
Edit to add: What else do local governments have as bargaining chips?It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostI ask the question based on this statement. Again - are you saying that Governments should not trade with Private Business?
Edit to add: What else do local governments have as bargaining chips?---------------------------------------------
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Dude -
The SNARK runs deep with you. Honestly its really frustrating when attempting to actually have a conversation.
This isnt about winning... Its about sharing ideas and trying to find some semblance of agreement/understanding.
You may not like Local Governments giving subsidies, what other things can the Local Government use to attract businesses to it's area?It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostDude -
The SNARK runs deep with you. Honestly its really frustrating when attempting to actually have a conversation.
This isnt about winning... Its about sharing ideas and trying to find some semblance of agreement/understanding.
You may not like Local Governments giving subsidies, what other things can the Local Government use to attract businesses to it's area?---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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That does not answer my question. Its a really good re-cap of the past number of posts and your attitude towards them. However, it does not answer my question. I have answered many of your and explained my rational - which you seem to disagree with.
Do you believe that Governments should not trade with Private Business?
This government is participating in this transaction - they are not dictating the terms and other municipalities could make a bid for Amazons' business? So how is this not a free market exchange?
Edit to add: My apologies if the snark finally got to me and I called you names.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostThat does not answer my question. Its a really good re-cap of the past number of posts and your attitude towards them. However, it does not answer my question. I have answered many of your and explained my rational - which you seem to disagree with.
Do you believe that Governments should not trade with Private Business?
This government is participating in this transaction - they are not dictating the terms and other municipalities could make a bid for Amazons' business? So how is this not a free market exchange?
Edit to add: My apologies if the snark finally got to me and I called you names.---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostApology accepted. Sorry, but I don't have the patience to continue further. I think I summarized my original point well, and I understand that you disagree with it. We will just have to agree to disagree.
Do you believe that Government should not trade with Private Business? and how would NYC luring Amazon to its market area not a free market trade?It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostI dont even know what your original point was quite honestly because you only offered counters to what I stated and you have for the 5th time now not offered up a response to a question.
Do you believe that Government should not trade with Private Business? and how would NYC luring Amazon to its market area not a free market trade?---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Ok - so now that I re-read post 3 and 4.
Please answer my question(s)
Do you believe that Government should not trade with Private Business? and how would NYC luring Amazon to its market area not a free market trade?It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostOk - so now that I re-read post 3 and 4.
Please answer my question(s)
Do you believe that Government should not trade with Private Business? and how would NYC luring Amazon to its market area not a free market trade?---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostGovernment has to interact with private business. governments paying subsidies/changing tax codes/ etc to lure large companies is the exact opposite of free market trade. Why would NYC change the tax code for Amazon but not for Joe's corner shop ? They are interfering in the market place and making the playing field unlevel. Anyone trying to compete with Amazon is at a disadvantage because the same laws don't apply to them. More to the point, the effect of municipalities bidding on Amazon, Walmart, Home Depot, etc, is a transfer of wealth from the government to the corporations and an unlevel playing field because how can mom and pop compete with Walmart if they get millions of dollars from the government. Smaller businesses don't get those incentives and advantages and will be run out of business. Is that competiton ? Is that free markets ?
A secret behind Wal-Mart’s rapid expansion in the United States has been its extensive use of public money. This includes more than $1.2 billion in tax breaks, free land, infrastructure assistance, low-cost financing and outright grants from state and local governments around the country.---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Should I also get 3 billion dollars to move my business to NY ? Or does just Amazon get that benefit ? Hmmmm.---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by nots View PostAre you providing 25,000 high paying jobs?
And again, they aren’t getting $3B.---------------------------------------------
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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