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Originally posted by Roy Hobbs View PostAs a Braves fan and fantasy player it's kind of disheartening to think none could be an ace. The only Braves pitchers I have are Toussaint and Gohara.
And I think a lot of teams would love to have 5 2/3s on their staff. That is pretty great.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostTouki looked great last year. Gohara just last year was seen as having $2 upside himself. But he is a chubster and didn't show well last year.
And I think a lot of teams would love to have 5 2/3s on their staff. That is pretty great.
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Originally posted by rhd View PostNot only rare but unprecedented. Only 1 team ever put 9 guys on their list before, the 2011 Royals. I also cant remember 3 teams being completely shut out before (Yanks, BoSox and Cubs).
8. Eric Hosmer (career BR WAR 15.6)
9. Mike Moustakas (career BR WAR 13.9)
10. Wil Myers (career BR WAR 10.1)
18. John Lamb (career BR WAR -1.7)
19. Mike Montgomery (career BR WAR 6.1)
51. Christian Colon (career BR WAR 1.8)
68. Danny Duffy (career BR WAR 14.1)
69. Jake Odorizzi (career BR WAR 9.5)
83. Chris Dwyer (career BR WAR 0.1)
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostI think that is a natural reaction to the volume of arms they have. It is a reminder of how many pitching prospects fail. Obviously, not all of these guys will pan out. But I think they are all good. I also think none of them are true aces, though.
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Originally posted by cavebird View PostThis doesn't bother me like it does some people. There are plenty of them with good enough stuff to theoretically become aces (Wright, Sorotka, Anderson, and Gohara (who obviously could be a Sabathia in his prime style ace) come to mind; on the other hand, Allard doesn't really have the stuff). None have such stuff that they are at the top likelihood of becoming aces, but if you stockpile enough B pitching prospects, some will breakout. That was definitely the plan---not putting all the eggs in the smaller basket of A pitching prospects and accumulate tons of B's, and see what shakes out; maybe an ace, a two or two, some back end starters, and likely some good bullpen arms."Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"
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Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View PostTINSTAAPP isn't really a thing any more. It's true that pitchers get hurt more often and more catastrophically than hitters do right now (hopefully we figure out how to stop that over the next 5-10 years), but other than that, we actually know better how to develop pitchers these days than we do hitters. That's not to claim that all the Braves prospect pitchers are going to be studs, of course.
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Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View PostTINSTAAPP isn't really a thing any more. It's true that pitchers get hurt more often and more catastrophically than hitters do right now (hopefully we figure out how to stop that over the next 5-10 years), but other than that, we actually know better how to develop pitchers these days than we do hitters. That's not to claim that all the Braves prospect pitchers are going to be studs, of course.
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Originally posted by Roy Hobbs View PostI believe pitchers are pampered too much. It seems to me pitchers were more durable back in the 50s, 60s and 70s than they are right now, and that was mostly before Tommy John surgery (1974) While it is true that if a pitcher had ligament issues with their elbow back then it was a career ending injury, so thanks Dr. Frank Jobe, but that doesn't mean pitchers are more durable now, far from it.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostYeah, it is a real log jam. Good problem to have, but it makes it hard to know how it will sort out for those of us targeting their arms.I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...
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Originally posted by Roy Hobbs View PostI believe pitchers are pampered too much. It seems to me pitchers were more durable back in the 50s, 60s and 70s than they are right now, and that was mostly before Tommy John surgery (1974) While it is true that if a pitcher had ligament issues with their elbow back then it was a career ending injury, so thanks Dr. Frank Jobe, but that doesn't mean pitchers are more durable now, far from it.“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by madducks View PostI don't think pitchers are less durable today. I just think they are more likely to weight train and as a result have stronger arms. Most elbow ligaments are overmatched by the strength in today's pitcher forearms, biceps, and shoulders. For most fireballing young pitchers it is just a matter of time before the dreaded TJ surgery. It used to be that you had maybe one guy per team that could throw 95mph. Now, usually more than half of the staff throws that hard. More fireballers equals more TJ surgeries. Years ago, weight training was practically forbidden for pitchers. But $100-200 million contracts for the top strikeout pitchers and $50 million contracts for the top relievers has changed that mindset."Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"
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