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    Couple of interesting ones that I've randomly run across:

    Steve Garvey had more 200 hit seasons (6) than Tony Gwynn (5).

    Ramon Martinez had more career shutouts (20) than his brother, Pedro Martinez (17).

  • #2
    I found it hard to believe Gwynn only had five 200-hit seasons.

    But looking at his career, he missed a lot of time due to injury. Only seven seasons did he play more than 135 games, and he only missed 200 hits in two of those.
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    • #3
      The Yankees have the most WS appearances (40), followed by the Giants, Dodgers (20, 20) and Cardinals (19). Who is next with 14 and third with 9 titles?

      Spoiler!


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
        I found it hard to believe Gwynn only had five 200-hit seasons.
        Gwynn led the league with 197 hits in the 144-game 1995 season.
        he also led the league with 165 hits in the 117-game 1994 season.

        Gwynn led the league in hits 7 times; Garvey did it twice.
        Gwynn's 4 highest hit totals all are more than Garvey ever had.

        Stan Musial had 1815 hits at home and 1815 hits on the road. I like that one a lot better.
        finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
        own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
        won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

        SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
        RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
        C Stallings 2, Casali 1
        1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
        OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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        • #5
          MLB record holder for most strikeouts in a game is not Roger Clemens, Kerry Wood, Randy Johnson or Max Scherzer. It is ... drum roll ... TOM CHENEY! (who???) He struck out 21 Baltimore Orioles on Sept. 12, 1962. The game was 16 innings long and he threw 228 pitches in a complete game, getting the win 2-1 for the expansion Washington Senators. The game was at RFK Stadium in DC, then known as DC Stadium. He pitched in MLB for parts of 10 seasons, but exceeded 52 IP only twice. He suffered a serious elbow injury in July 1963 and didnt pitch much after that. He attributed the injury to the hi pitch total in that game, yet he had pleaded to stay in the game when the manager wanted to take him out. He had a career record of 19-29.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by onejayhawk View Post
            The Yankees have the most WS appearances (40), followed by the Giants, Dodgers (20, 20) and Cardinals (19). Who is next with 14 and third with 9 titles?

            Spoiler!


            J
            Braves have been 10 times, I'm going to guess it's the A's. They won a few in Oakland and were good for a while in Philly, despite also being miserable there for a long time.
            "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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            • #7
              Hoyt Wilhelm hit a HR in his 1st ever MLB at-bat, but then never hit another one during his 21-year career.

              He also came up as a 29-year old rookie, but pitched, very effectively, until he was almost 50 years old(!) From ages 40-50, he had a 2.18 ERA and 0.99 WHIP in 813 IP!

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              • #8
                The Mets have won two World Series.

                In 1969, the final out came on a ball hit by Davey Johnson off Jerry Koosman.

                In 1986, the final out was recorded by Jesse Orosco - who had been acquired by the Mets in a trade of Koosman. The Mets manager in 1986 was that same Davey Johnson.

                In uniform in the Red Sox dugout in 1986 - but not on the 25-man postseason roster because of a sore knee - was Tom Seaver, who won 25 games for the Mets in 1969 and is the best player in franchise history.
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                finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
                own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
                won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

                SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
                RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
                C Stallings 2, Casali 1
                1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
                OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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                • #9
                  ok, one more:

                  The last player to spend an entire MLB season on an active roster while hitting .400 played for the Red Sox - and had a very memorable final game of that season.

                  No, not that Ted Williams guy. It's Roger LaFrancois.

                  In 1982, manager Ralph Houk had 15 hitters on his roster - but he only gave 13 at least 25 AB.

                  One of the "Maytag Repairmen" was Roger, the third-string catcher who watched Rich Gedman and Gary Allenson split the duties.

                  Roger spent almost two months watching from the bench before becoming a late-inning defensive replacement on May 27 in his MLB debut.

                  His first AB came on June 18 - a run-scoring groundout. Apparently impressed by that, Houk waited only 12 days to give Roger another AB - and he doubled.

                  Roger would have to savor that hit until Aug. 17, when he appeared in his next game. Again coming aboard in the later innings, this time Roger went 0 for 2.

                  That gave Roger a breather until Sept. 14, when he singled in the late stages of a 12-1 Red Sox win.

                  Late-inning appearances on Sept. 17 and 27 - he must have been exhausted! - did not result in an AB.

                  So now it came down to Game 162 on Oct. 3 against the archrival Yankees, and Roger's manager had the same dilemma as came up in 1941 - does a Red Sox batter risk his .400 seasonal average (Roger was 2-for-5), or sit out and claim the honor?

                  Once again, the easy way out was skipped. In fact, Roger STARTED that final game.

                  Surely the announced crowd of 31,465 at Yankee Stadium was buzzing with every AB for the gutsy slugger who for some reason batted 9th. With one out in the second inning, hurler Doyle Alexander surrendered a Roger liner to CF that was...... caught by Jerry Mumphrey. uh oh.

                  In the 4th, Roger ended the inning with a groundout - and he did the same in the 6th. With Roger's seasonal AVG down to .250, was the dream over?

                  Never, never count our Roger out. He led off the inning in his next AB with a single to CF off Rudy May, but that inning was the 9th. Now the dream surely was over?

                  Not a chance. The game went into extra innings, leaving the tension in the stands so thick you could cut it with a butter knife - I'm assuming.

                  With one out in the 11th, the big moment arrived. Roger, with history on the line and facing a 1-2 count, hit a bouncer that sailed over May's head for an infield single - and glory was on his plate.

                  Roger had bounced all the way back to .400 (4 for 10) - but if the game went longer, would he have risked immortality again? Roger's teammates clearly were determined that we never find out. A sac bunt turned into an error that put Marty Barrett on first base, and a groundout moved Roger to third with - appropriately - the potential go-ahead run.

                  Rick Miller - with his heart in his throat, I'm assuming, with a chance to be a hero - promptly singled to center to score our Roger and give the Red Sox a 4-3 lead.

                  Now it was up to Dave Stapleton, who would participate in another memorable final contest against the Mets just four years later. Dave doubled, scoring Barrett while Miller - running like his hair was on fire, I'm assuming - valiantly scampered to home plate only to be tagged out.

                  Still, it was 5-3, and Mike Brown - in his first of six stellar MLB seasons that produced a 12-20 record and 5.75 ERA - was on in the bottom of the 11th for his 4th inning of relief.

                  Tossing as if his very life depended on it - I'm assuming - Brown caught Graig Nettles looking and got Steve Balboni to pop to second base. With the Yankee Stadium stands still packed - I'm assuming - Dave Collins battled for a single.

                  Uh oh. A Getty Goner by Rick Cerone - he of the 5 dingers and 61 OPS+ that season - would tie things up and perhaps put Roger's historic achievement back in play.

                  But Brown was having none of it, inducing a weak grounder to second to end the game and lead the Red Sox entire squad to carry Roger off in celebration - I'm assuming. Among the celebrants were Hall of Famers Carl Yastrzemski - who had replaced Williams in LF in 1961 - Carlton Fisk, Jim Rice, Tony Perez, and Dennis Eckersley.

                  In the offseason, the Red Sox - clearly awed by Roger's achievement - acquired grizzled catcher Jeff Newman from Oakland along with Tony Armas in a deal for Carney Lansford. Newman hit a rugged .189 as part of a three-man catching rotation with Gedman and Allenson in 1984.

                  Roger split catching duties with Pawtucket in 1983 with John Lickert, who two years earlier had what turned out to be his own date with immortality. Lickert appeared in one game for the Red Sox that season, catching Mark Clear in the 9th inning. That eventually landed Lickert in the "Moonlight Graham Club" (yes, there really was a Moonlight Graham, see bb-ref) - one inning in the field, but never getting to the plate.

                  Roger's charisma and .226 AVG helped the Paw Sox to a 56-83 record, and in a 1983-84 postseason bidding war - I'm assuming - the Richmond Braves landed Roger. He hit .184 in 162 AB, nearly willing the R Braves to a .500 record.

                  The fabled Durham Bulls apparently wanted a helping of the Roger magic in 1985, inserting him into one game - no AB, alas.

                  Then at age 28, Roger hung up the catcher's glove and padded bench seat cushion - leaving his legion of fans relieved that his career .400 AVG would never again be threatened.

                  Roger has been coaching all over the minor leagues ever since.
                  finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
                  own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
                  won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

                  SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
                  RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
                  C Stallings 2, Casali 1
                  1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
                  OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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                  • #10
                    The minor league record for strikeouts in a 9-inning game is held by Ron Necciai. He accomplished the feat on May 13, 1952 pitching for Class D Bristol in the Appy League. He struck out 27 in a CG no-hitter which he won 7-0. He issued only 1 walk and also hit a batter and another hitter reached on an error. Not all of the outs were K's, as there was one batter that was retired on a grounder but he struck out 4 in the 9th inn. because of a dropped 3rd strike. In his next start, he struck out 24 in a 2-hitter. He had an astounding 22.8 K/9 in his 43 IP for Bristol. He was called up to MLB later that year for the Pirates but had a 7.08 ERA in 54.7 IP, w 31 Ks and 32 BBs. He then faded into obscurity.

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                    • #11
                      most of us you probably know that Fernando Tatis (whose kid is now a top-5-in-baseball prospect) is the only man to hit two grand slams in one inning, which he did in 1999.

                      less remembered is that the same pitcher surrendered both! It's Chan Ho Park.

                      the Dodgers manager/sadist was the same Davey Johnson who turns up twice in Post 8.

                      Johnson played for Orioles manager Earl Weaver, who in 1970 coaxed 900 of the team's 1,479 IP that year from just three pitchers - 20-game winners Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, and Dave McNally. Johnson also played 2B for the 1974 Braves, who got 300 IP out of Phil Niekro.

                      just call him "old school"

                      oh, Davey's HR totals by years as a regular (which of these is not like the others?)
                      7, 10, 9, 7, 10, 18, 5, 43, 15

                      then at age 31 he left for Japan for 2 years

                      the "43" above was in 1973, when teammate Hank Aaron hit 40 while Darrell Evans hit 41.
                      finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
                      own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
                      won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

                      SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
                      RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
                      C Stallings 2, Casali 1
                      1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
                      OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Judge Jude View Post
                        most of us you probably know that Fernando Tatis (whose kid is now a top-5-in-baseball prospect) is the only man to hit two grand slams in one inning, which he did in 1999.

                        less remembered is that the same pitcher surrendered both! It's Chan Ho Park.
                        Park's record is so unlikely that if they play baseball for 1000 yrs I dont think it will ever be broken.

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                        • #13
                          On June 23, 1971, Rick Wise of the Philadelphia Phillies threw a no-hitter AND hit 2 HRs in the same game. Talk about having a helluva day!

                          Epilogue --apparently smitten by Wise's exploits, the Cardinals traded Steve Carlton straight up for him after the season. That next year, Carlton had one of the greatest pitching seasons of the modern era and went on to win 4 Cy Young Awards, become a Phillies legend and HOFer. Whoopsie daisy!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rhd View Post
                            Park's record is so unlikely that if they play baseball for 1000 yrs I dont think it will ever be broken.
                            exactly. it was impossible to imagine even then. DiMaggio's 56-game hit streak is in grave jeopardy compared to this achievement.

                            for the other extreme, not easy to beat this one, either:

                            Reggie Jackson homered in 3 consecutive ABs in one World Series game off the Dodgers in 1977.

                            he did it against three different pitchers - Burt Hooton, Elias Sosa, and knuckleballer Charlie Hough.

                            bonus points for hitting all three homers on the first pitch!

                            #mroctober
                            finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
                            own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
                            won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84

                            SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
                            RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
                            C Stallings 2, Casali 1
                            1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
                            OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rhd View Post
                              Park's record is so unlikely that if they play baseball for 1000 yrs I dont think it will ever be broken.
                              yeah, Tatis record and Park's are pretty safe. When I think of unbreakable records this is the one. Imagine what would have to happen to see 3 grand slams by one guy in an inning. As a minimum the team would have to score 22 runs in one inning which seems unlikely.
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