10 unsettling answers to the fermi paradox

[The Feral Slasher]

I decline to comment further on the grounds that it is way off topic.

J

Thanks for that anyway.

[Ken]

I decline to comment further on the grounds that it is way off topic.

J

Checks the URL - this is still rotojunkie right?

[Kevin Seitzer]

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong all the time?

But if he says he does get tired of being wrong all the time, then doesn't that mean he actually doesn't get tired of being wrong all the time?

[Ken]

But if he says he does get tired of being wrong all the time, then doesn't that mean he actually doesn't get tired of being wrong all the time?

Only part of the time

[The Feral Slasher]

Only part of the time

I disagree

[Ken]

I disagree

True, if you disagreed all the time it would just be annoying.

[Sour Masher]

True, if you disagreed all the time it would just be annoying.

Very.

[Sour Masher]

I am continually amazed at the vastness of the universe, and both how much we are quickly learning about it and how little we still know about it. As of now, we think it continues 2 trillion galaxies, but it may contain many more. It may, in fact, be infinite and eternal. The big bang may have been by one of many local bursts in an infinite multiverse. We can only perceive a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of reality.

It is hubristic for us to proclaim any certainty about anything related to the vast expanse we know so little about. The idea that there is no other intelligent life in the universe, a universe we only observe a tiny fraction of, because we aren't knee deep in aliens baffles me. We don't even know if intergallactic travel is possible. Who would travel millions and millions of light years to hop over to another galaxy? Anyone claiming we are alone in the universe is basically calling an election because of their own single vote. That is about the amount of data we have in relation to the whole right now.

[Steve 2.0]

I am continually amazed at the vastness of the universe, and both how much we are quickly learning about it and how little we still know about it. As of now, we think it continues 2 trillion galaxies, but it may contain many more. It may, in fact, be infinite and eternal. The big bang may have been by one of many local bursts in an infinite multiverse. We can only perceive a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of reality.

It is hubristic for us to proclaim any certainty about anything related to the vast expanse we know so little about. The idea that there is no other intelligent life in the universe, a universe we only observe a tiny fraction of, because we aren't knee deep in aliens baffles me. We don't even know if intergallactic travel is possible. Who would travel millions and millions of light years to hop over to another galaxy? Anyone claiming we are alone in the universe is basically calling an election because of their own single vote. That is about the amount of data we have in relation to the whole right now.

I agree with your post. I know of one RJ poster who won't. I'll let you guess who it is. (It's onejay)

[Fresno Bob]

I am continually amazed at the vastness of the universe, and both how much we are quickly learning about it and how little we still know about it. As of now, we think it continues 2 trillion galaxies, but it may contain many more. It may, in fact, be infinite and eternal. The big bang may have been by one of many local bursts in an infinite multiverse. We can only perceive a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of reality.

It is hubristic for us to proclaim any certainty about anything related to the vast expanse we know so little about. The idea that there is no other intelligent life in the universe, a universe we only observe a tiny fraction of, because we aren't knee deep in aliens baffles me. We don't even know if intergallactic travel is possible. Who would travel millions and millions of light years to hop over to another galaxy? Anyone claiming we are alone in the universe is basically calling an election because of their own single vote. That is about the amount of data we have in relation to the whole right now.

thanks for trying to bring this back to the Fermi Paradox

[onejayhawk]

I agree with your post. I know of one RJ poster who won't. I'll let you guess who it is. (It's onejay)

Why would I disagree? He has not said anything controversial or even outside the mainstream. Only a narcissist is not awed by the cosmos. It's rather humbling to think we really are alone.

I recall a line from a book. "In a way, the world was created to give you a place to stand." The hero in that story knew why he was born and a great deal of the many thousands of years long struggle that culminated in his birth. I think we may be better off not knowing why we are here.

J

[Sour Masher]

Why would I disagree? He has not said anything controversial or even outside the mainstream. Only a narcissist is not awed by the cosmos.

J

Have to not suggested that if intelligent life existed in the universe, it would be here by now, and/or, we would have seen evidence of it already?

ETA: you did start limiting your claim to the Galaxy, now that I look back. But you never conceded that we can't possibly know if we are the first intelligent life in the universe, or the point that it is extremely unlikely we are.

[Sour Masher]

You have also stated, with certainty, that the universe is not infinite, even though we have no way of knowing that.

[onejayhawk]

Have to not suggested that if intelligent life existed in the universe, it would be here by now, and/or, we would have seen evidence of it already?

Your grammar is off. What exactly do you mean here? I have said that Fermi's filter suggests very strongly that we are alone in the history of the galaxy. That is in no way incompatible with feeling wonder at the cosmos.

You have also stated, with certainty, that the universe is not infinite, even though we have no way of knowing that.

I am not sure I believe it or not, but I definitely did not state it. The galaxy, in contrast is far from infinite. That, I said.

J

[Sour Masher]

Life, in the single cellular sense I might grant you. That does not get you much. The universe is not infinte after all.

Fermi did not leave a paradox. He left a compelling argument that other life cannot exist based using the galaxy for a scale and several million years as the timeframe.


Time isn't infinite either.

J

It amazes me how often you do this. You make a claim that is right there in a previous post, and then say you did not make that claim in a later post. Here is a post where you say both time and space are NOT infinite. As if you or I can know such a thing.