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    Quote Originally Posted by onejayhawk View Post
    That's established physics. Bear in mind that we are using time in the observable sense, meaning it only goes into the past. Since there is a starting point, it is finite.

    Space is different since it could be open or it could be closed. We cannot tell. Is space the same as the universe or does it contain the universe? We don't know. I suspect that space contains the universe and that it is bounded. A parallel would be a black hole. The matter is contained within the event horizon. Each black hole in our universe is a universe unto itself.

    You keep saying that it is extremely unlikely we are not the only intelligent life, yet Fermi's filter is a strong argument that we must be.


    I don't know. I can only quote expert opinion.

    You seem certain of some things you cannot know. Why ask me?

    J
    Actually, the only thing I'm certain of is that I don't know. You were the one earlier in the thread stating absolutes.
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  2. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve 2.0 View Post
    Actually, the only thing I'm certain of is that I don't know. You were the one earlier in the thread stating absolutes.
    Not true. Here's one.

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    J knows. Just ask him.
    J
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  3. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by onejayhawk View Post
    Not true. Here's one.



    J
    I notice you only debunked the part about me. I stand corrected.

    Edit to say: Actually, I was sitting down when I typed that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onejayhawk View Post
    That's established physics. Bear in mind that we are using time in the observable sense, meaning it only goes into the past. Since there is a starting point, it is finite.

    You keep saying that it is extremely unlikely we are not the only intelligent life, yet Fermi's filter is a strong argument that we must be.

    J
    It is amusing to me that while there are legitimate physicists who put forth theories of a possible infinite multiverse in which the big bang we know of is not the beginning of all that there is, you are content to accept the prevailing theories on this issue--I can appreciate that. However, you deny the overwhelming consensus based on much, much firmer evidence that man made global climate change is real and a really big problem.

    As far as Fermi, you seem to accept his filter as gospel, and I still don't understand, even if you firmly believe there is no other intelligent life in our galaxy how Fermi applies at all to life in other galaxies. There are at least 2 trillion other galaxies. Even Fermi's math allows for the possibility that even if only one intelligent species has emerged in our galaxies that it is certainly possible that more have emerged in other galaxies. I know of know possible way intelligent species could engage in intergalactic travel, or no possible reason why they would be motivated to expend the tremendous amount of time and resources to do that given the vastness of resources available in a single galaxy.

    I know you are a sci-fi fan (I am too). Maybe reading so much of it leads you to believe that faster than light travel is a foregone conclusion for a more advanced species, but I don't think it is. A lot of your thoughts seem based on it being obtainable. Galaxies are millions of light years apart from each other. Some are 10s of millions of light years apart. Some are billions of light years apart. The idea that aliens are not hanging out on earth is evidence that no intelligent life exists billions of light years from us is absurd to me.
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