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Thread: Lee Smith & Harold Baines Elected to the HOF

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    Quote Originally Posted by chancellor View Post
    Ugh. I couldn't disagree more. IMO, his career defines decent longevity while being very good to good for a while, with a couple of very good peak years. His K rate is under 1/inning, his BB rate over 3.3/9 IP, had an ERA+ over 180 two years, had an ERA+ under 140 more years than I can count with my limited morning caffeine intake, and had a WHIP under 1.10 one time in his career. He had one amazing year in 1983, being both dominant and durable, and successfully built a reputation from that year - to his credit - that followed him through his career. But in reality, other than a very good peak at age 32-33, his closer stats were decidedly....well, pretty good. But hardly great. And nowhere near Hall-worthy.
    My argument for Lee Smith would be that if Harold Baines can get in, Lee Smith belongs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umjewman View Post
    My argument for Lee Smith would be that if Harold Baines can get in, Lee Smith belongs.
    Same argument can now be made for about 100 other players.
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    Here is a great article on Smith for the Hall from 2009:

    https://www.billjamesonline.com/article1255/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    Here is a great article on Smith for the Hall from 2009:

    https://www.billjamesonline.com/article1255/
    Which, frankly, reinforces many of the issues I have with Smith. Of course, I didn't think Sutter should get in, either. Fingers was marginal, but had the awesomest mustache in the modern era and a truly transcendent year his first year in Milwaukee - an ERA+ of 333(!), paired up with a Cy and a MVP. To use a reference Bob Kohm did many years back, it's the Hall of Fame - and what Fingers did in '81 was enough to move him from the very good to the famous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chancellor View Post
    Which, frankly, reinforces many of the issues I have with Smith. Of course, I didn't think Sutter should get in, either. Fingers was marginal, but had the awesomest mustache in the modern era and a truly transcendent year his first year in Milwaukee - an ERA+ of 333(!), paired up with a Cy and a MVP. To use a reference Bob Kohm did many years back, it's the Hall of Fame - and what Fingers did in '81 was enough to move him from the very good to the famous.
    That Fingers year was amazing. I was traveling back and fourth from Cleveland to Cedarburg Wis. during that time. A lot of fun.

    Back to closers. As long as saves are a thing the historical and best need to be recognized.

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    Ryan Thibidoux tracks HOF ballots made public through the interwebs, and with a month left to go, he has 24% of ballots counted with four potential new HOFers. Mariano Rivera may be the first ever unanimous HOFer. Seems a little like when ESPN pundits would spoil draft picks with a minute to go, but anyways, here it is:

    Mariano Rivera: named on 100% of ballots
    Roy Halladay: 94%
    Edgar Martinez: 91%
    Mike Mussina: 84%


    Malcontents Clemens, Schilling & Bonds are all creeping up to >70%.

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    With 31% of the vote known, Clemens has now reached the 75% needed for induction.

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    With 31% of the vote known, Clemens has now reached the 75% needed for induction.
    It's about freaking time.

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    With 31% of the vote known, Clemens has now reached the 75% needed for induction.
    spoiler alerts:
    the Clemens types tend to fade late.
    there are now 3 locks and maybe a 4th.

    Jeter may coast in next year with former teammate Clemens (and Bonds?). that would be amusing.
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