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    PBS interviewed 62 former female staffers and 74 staffers overall and not a single one they contacted said they experienced sexual harassment or misconduct from Joe Biden.

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    PBS interviewed 62 former female staffers and 74 staffers overall and not a single one they contacted said they experienced sexual harassment or misconduct from Joe Biden. Not a one even heard rumors of such behavior.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...es-allegations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Masher View Post
    PBS interviewed 62 former female staffers and 74 staffers overall and not a single one they contacted said they experienced sexual harassment or misconduct from Joe Biden.
    For fuck sake. He has several allegations of invading personal space, hugging with a vice grip, sniffing, kissing, and creeping out several people he worked with. Did you just forget about those women, or do you think being a general creep only counts if there's a finger-bang? Ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenwolf View Post
    For fuck sake. He has several allegations of invading personal space, hugging with a vice grip, sniffing, kissing, and creeping out several people he worked with. Did you just forget about those women, or do you think being a general creep only counts if there's a finger-bang? Ridiculous.
    No, if you have read my posts on Biden, it is clear I have not forgotten that, but apparently none of the women PBS contacted found such behavior to rise to the level of sexual harassment or misconduct. I have already said many times that Biden has frequently crossed the line into inappropriate behavior. But yeah, to me it matters a lot if the extent of his infractions involves not respecting personal space, unwanted touching that may not be sexual, and general behavior that is creepy but not sexual assault, or if he slammed a woman against the wall and forcefully violated her. Especially because I believe who he is running against has crossed that line. And is a racist. And has caused and continues to cost lives by his disastrous pandemic response.

    Biden has never been my candidate, but I believe he is better than the alternative by a long shot. It matters to me if he crossed a line that would make it impossible for me to vote for him and actively support him. Looking at all the evidence over a long period of time, I do not believe the specific accuser is credible enough regarding him crossing that line for me to abstain from voting for him against a man who I do believe committed worse acts and I know with certainty is worse for this country as POTUS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Masher View Post
    No, if you have read my posts on Biden, it is clear I have not forgotten that, but apparently none of the women PBS contacted found such behavior to rise to the level of sexual harassment or misconduct. I have already said many times that Biden has frequently crossed the line into inappropriate behavior. But yeah, to me it matters a lot if the extent of his infractions involves not respecting personal space, unwanted touching that may not be sexual, and general behavior that is creepy but not sexual assault, or if he slammed a woman against the wall and forcefully violated her. Especially because I believe who he is running against has crossed that line. And is a racist. And has caused and continues to cost lives by his disastrous pandemic response.

    Biden has never been my candidate, but I believe he is better than the alternative by a long shot. It matters to me if he crossed a line that would make it impossible for me to vote for him and actively support him. Looking at all the evidence over a long period of time, I do not believe the specific accuser is credible enough regarding him crossing that line for me to abstain from voting for him against a man who I do believe committed worse acts and I know with certainty is worse for this country as POTUS.
    Again this becomes "lesser of two evils."

    At the very least Democrats now know what it is like to try to justify past actions to justify winning. This is what Repubs had to deal with in the last election.

    It would appear that the mutual hatred of each other will blind all when dealing with party against party. Pointing at each side's sins to justify their own will never fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    Again this becomes "lesser of two evils."

    At the very least Democrats now know what it is like to try to justify past actions to justify winning. This is what Repubs had to deal with in the last election.

    It would appear that the mutual hatred of each other will blind all when dealing with party against party. Pointing at each side's sins to justify their own will never fix it.
    I'm not a fan of choosing the lesser of evils, but I don't see any evidence I find credible that Biden is evil. Creepy and inappropriate at times, and not as sharp as he was, a gaffe machine whose positions don't entirely match my own. But not evil. I don't think I'm justifying his past actions in taking that stance. If Joe Biden were a Democratic Donald Trump, I would not vote for him and would not support him and would not defend him.

    And your second point is more true now than before Trump. I never villianized McCain or Romney. They were both solid, respectable candidates. Both were attacked by the left, but my hope is if the GOP puts up a similar candidate in the future, Dems will remember Trump and be more measured in their ciriticisms. I never villianized either Bush, although I think he is one of the worst presidents in history (nice guys, though--wouldn't mind having a beer with either, although senior had his own sexual assault issues late in life).

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    Justin Amash decides not to run a 3rd party campaign, which is good because initial polls showed he was helping Trump more than hurting him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revo View Post
    Justin Amash decides not to run a 3rd party campaign, which is good because initial polls showed he was helping Trump more than hurting him.
    Maybe I should run for the Libertarian nomination. They are kind of running out of candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revo View Post
    Justin Amash decides not to run a 3rd party campaign, which is good because initial polls showed he was helping Trump more than hurting him.
    If he did that because of that polling data, mad props to him. Much respect Mr. Amash! I am surprised that any Libertarian candidate would hurt more than help Trump though.

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    Our expectations for presidential candidates have become too high. I blame Obama.

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