Election 2020

[onejayhawk]

well, they could always follow Trump's lead & just make some shit up

What do you mean that they could, they do. It's SOP because no one calls them on it. Everyone calls out Trump, even when he has a point.

Obama made many missteps, but not enough to undermine the general ethos he established for himself. I think of how many things would have sunk a less charismatic candidate. Reverend Wright alone could have done it. Obama overcame many missteps, but others have been done in over absurdly small things. A yell did in Howard Dean, as absurd as that seems now (maybe not, but it did seem to switch the narrative on him). Public opinion can be a very fragile thing. You have to be careful. His base will never waver, but some will, on the smallest of details.

Obama has a Get-Out-of-Race-Issues-Free card. No one does. The current dirty secret is how big the anti-LGBTQ undercurrent in the Democratic party has been.

It would probably work better to compare himself to FDR than European Democratic Socialists. Doesn't seem so un-American.

Meh. Sanders is the protest vote and always has been. With the November possibilities looking grim, he is at least a smiling face who genuinely believes his message. It does not matter that he won't get 45% in the general. Democrats have done that before and won the next election.

J

[nots]

What do you mean that they could, they do. It's SOP because no one calls them on it. Everyone calls out Trump, even when he has a point.


Obama has a Get-Out-of-Race-Issues-Free card. No one does. The current dirty secret is how big the anti-LGBTQ undercurrent in the Democratic party has been.


Meh. Sanders is the protest vote and always has been. With the November possibilities looking grim, he is at least a smiling face who genuinely believes his message. It does not matter that he won't get 45% in the general. Democrats have done that before and won the next election.

J

Not a fan of Sanders policies, but I will definitely take the over on him getting 45%. Avatar bet?

[Ken]

Everyone calls out Trump, even when he has a point.

Is there any evidence that he's ever actually had a point?

[onejayhawk]

Is there any evidence that he's ever actually had a point?

Absolutely. It's one of Trump's standard ways of inserting a story in the news cycle. He has several, but this is the goto one for numerical data.

Not a fan of Sanders policies, but I will definitely take the over on him getting 45%. Avatar bet?

How about something slightly different? I'll bet 50% for Trump. That way it doesn't matter if Bernie wins out.

Loser has to display the winning candidate as Icon until new year.

J

[nots]

Absolutely. It's one of Trump's standard ways of inserting a story in the news cycle. He has several, but this is the goto one for numerical data.


How about something slightly different? I'll bet 50% for Trump. That way it doesn't matter if Bernie wins out.

Loser has to display the winning candidate as Icon until new year.

J

I will take that bet.

[Ken]

Absolutely. It's one of Trump's standard ways of inserting a story in the news cycle. He has several, but this is the goto one for numerical data.

Waiting for the evidence requested.

[umjewman]

Waiting for the evidence requested.

I'm not 100% certain, but I think the evidence has something to do with Ted Cruz, also known as the winner of the 2024 presidential election.

[The Feral Slasher]

I hope he goes into freefall in the polls. There is so much not to like about Bloomberg

https://twitter.com/CANCEL_SAM/status/1232097629380710400

I read one of Bloomberg's sexual harassment lawsuits ('98).

These were allegations against Bloomberg––not the company––the man.

∙ Encouraged general degradation of women
∙ Required female applicants to meet sex appeal criteria
∙ Repeated, unwanted sexual gestures & touching

[Sour Masher]

I'm not 100% certain, but I think the evidence has something to do with Ted Cruz, also known as the winner of the 2024 presidential election.

I take such joy in that fact that you so rarely post, but when you do, it is almost exclusively to make jokes about 1jay and Ted Cruz

[The Feral Slasher]

I take such joy in that fact that you so rarely post, but when you do, it is almost exclusively to make jokes about 1jay/Ted Cruz

Fixed

[Sour Masher]

Fixed

Lol. I think Ted Cruz wouldn't give so much credit to Trump, since Trump called his dad a murderer and his wife ugly. But maybe it is just the sort of 4d chess Cruz would play.

[onejayhawk]

I'm not 100% certain, but I think the evidence has something to do with Ted Cruz, also known as the winner of the 2024 presidential election.

Not yet. That's a lot dicier than winning 2020 would have been, which was based on the assumption that Trump would retire. Thanks to the Democrats for talking Trump into running again.

Lol. I think Ted Cruz wouldn't give so much credit to Trump, since Trump called his dad a murderer and his wife ugly. But maybe it is just the sort of 4d chess Cruz would play.

They made up. I am not sure if anyone here noticed, but Trump called Cruz a tough competitor. That's Trump's highest praise.

J

[Sour Masher]

Another thing I would like to see if for Sanders supporters to not use the term Sandernistas. It again just calls forth his former praise and support for failed socialist revolutions in Cuba and South America. Many younger voters may be excited if he brands his campaign as a revolution, but older voters would be turned off by such branding. Aligning with FDR, as TS Garp has said, is a much better angle imo.

I still say the biggest threat to his success against Trump will be the attacks against his ideology. He is going to have to deal with the fact that he is on record stating that Med4All would bankrupt the country (actually, he said Medicaid, but it will be used to attack Med4All), and he is on the record as stating the best way to deal with wealth inequality is through taxation and "public ownership of significant parts of the economy." I know the Sanders supporters here don't see the tax stuff, or the ideology that government ownership and control of various industries as that big a deal, but it is the biggest reason the DNC fears him, and it will be the biggest thing Trump uses against him.

TW has said the attacks on him being a socialist are not worthy of response, but I think Sanders is smart enough to know they are, and he will have to build a strong defense against it. They can't attack him ad hominem (they can, but there is no real there, there), so attacking his ideology will be the main avenue of attack.

[umjewman]

I take such joy in that fact that you so rarely post, but when you do, it is almost exclusively to make jokes about 1jay and Ted Cruz

I feel that I'm serving a valuable function, much more than I could add to the political discussion.

[Sour Masher]

The amount of cringe-worthy things Chris Matthews says, not just about Sanders, but about almost everything--I continue to be amazed he survives as a host. He must have naked pics of some exec or something.