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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Masher View Post
    The premise makes sense--it should cost less to cut out middle men making billions and reducing half a trillion in paperwork and processing a year. I guess the only thing left unsaid is when he says "tax the rich" how far down will he actually go before he gets what he needs to fund it? Can taxing just millionaires get it done? Nots, I think you have shown the math on this suggesting it is not possible. Will the middle class folks who have employer health insurance end up not just losing choices, but paying more? That assumption is pretty much why getting this passed is impossible. Is it valid?
    If Sanders is elected, all it will take is them Dems to hold the house and pull even in the senate. There are 21 GOP seats up and 12 Dem seats up in the senate, flipping 5 gives them a tie with 2 Independents (who've voted Dem pretty much) That gives the tie breaker to the D VP. If this happens, M4All will be at the very least, implemented ASAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Masher View Post
    The premise makes sense--it should cost less to cut out middle men making billions and reducing half a trillion in paperwork and processing a year. I guess the only thing left unsaid is when he says "tax the rich" how far down will he actually go before he gets what he needs to fund it? Can taxing just millionaires get it done? Nots, I think you have shown the math on this suggesting it is not possible. Will the middle class folks who have employer health insurance end up not just losing choices, but paying more? That assumption is pretty much why getting this passed is impossible. Is it valid?
    This was an interesting article. The chart in section 3 is very telling.

    https://www.vox.com/health-care/2020...al-health-care

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    Quote Originally Posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
    If Sanders is elected, all it will take is them Dems to hold the house and pull even in the senate. There are 21 GOP seats up and 12 Dem seats up in the senate, flipping 5 gives them a tie with 2 Independents (who've voted Dem pretty much) That gives the tie breaker to the D VP. If this happens, M4All will be at the very least, implemented ASAP.
    That assumes all the blue dog and other moderate dems would vote for it. I do not think they will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nots View Post
    Last 4 days the Boston Globe/Suffolk New Hampshire poll has gone:
    Wednesday: Sanders +9
    Thursday: Sanders +6
    Friday: Sanders +1
    Saturday: Buttigieg +1.
    Not sure if Iím buying it, but if true, that would be quite a surge.
    It does seem like he is rising, put that particular poll appears to be an outlier.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...new-hampshire/

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    It does seem like he is rising, put that particular poll appears to be an outlier.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...new-hampshire/
    I was referencing the trend, not the latest result. Picking up 10 points in 4 days is a huge bump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nots View Post
    I was referencing the trend, not the latest result. Picking up 10 points in 4 days is a huge bump.
    yes, as I mentioned, I agree Pete is trending up. but that is the only poll that shows the huge level of increase. So it is tough to say if it is real. He is going to get crushed in the next month anyway so he better enjoy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    yes, as I mentioned, I agree Pete is trending up. but that is the only poll that shows the huge level of increase. So it is tough to say if it is real. He is going to get crushed in the next month anyway so he better enjoy it.
    Actually Emerson is a bit stronger in its trend:
    Tuesday Sanders +19
    Wednesday Sanders+15
    Thursday +10
    Friday +9
    Saturday +7

    If Pete wins N.H. and Nevada (did you see what the Culinary union did today), SC could get very interesting for 5e rest of the field.
    Last edited by nots; 02-08-2020 at 10:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nots View Post
    Yes, Emerson too:
    Tuesday Sanders +19
    Wednesday Sanders+15
    Thursday +10
    Friday +9
    Saturday +7
    interesting, apparently they show a huge shift as well, which I didn't notice. Still showing Sanders with a good lead which I guess is what I was focused on rather than the trend as you noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nots View Post
    Actually Emerson is a bit stronger in its trend:
    Tuesday Sanders +19
    Wednesday Sanders+15
    Thursday +10
    Friday +9
    Saturday +7

    If Pete wins N.H. and Nevada (did you see what the Culinary union did today), SC could get very interesting for 5e rest of the field.
    It would, but look at the Nevada polls. Mayochup Pete is going to have to outperform drastically in both states to win. Nevada looks impossible....and then he will get crushed in SC. His debate answer regarding Marijuana arrests (to stop the "slaughter" in South Bend) as well as his record as a mayor make him pretty toxic. Though I'll admit I never thought he would compete in Iowa and NH. So I could be wrong.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...mary-d/nevada/

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    I usually hate talking all the polls and strategy stuff regarding elections, but I do find this race very interesting. With Pete rising, Biden sinking (but still leading in national polls), Klobuchar getting good press and Bloomberg lurking it is a pretty fascinating race to follow.

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