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    Quote Originally Posted by In the Corn View Post
    So you asked for answer, as I'm imagining this was the post you were talking about.

    First, this was a pretty tragic case in our community at the time. This young girl was literally in her house when the stray bullet killed, so there is a lot of emotion behind. I don't recall there being any real outcry at the time that this was an unjust conviction of Burrell. Putting a 15 year old away for life back in 2002 was not seen as a huge injustice, either. If there is new evidence, by all means, let's see it and, if there is cause, lets open an appeal and retry the case.

    As for attending the funeral, I'm about the most merciful person around, but if you're a convicted murderer, one of the punishments is not being able to attend these family events. Tyesha Edwards, the young gal he's been convicted of murdering, is going to get to go to her mom's funeral. Heck, she didn't even get the joy of having a Sweet Sixteen party.

    As for defending Klobuchar, I'll take a look at the entire body of her work, and say I think she's doing a great job. Every one of these candidates has something marring their complete public life. You decide what you're willing to overlook.

    Let's talk about Bernie, you know the commoner, Socialist-Democrat, who has an estimate worth of $2,500,000.

    Forbes tells us:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewi.../#7d3ba14c36bf

    Sanders is going to get "around $73,000 a year" for the rest of his life from his government job. I've never lived on that kind of money in my life, and I cannot see how he can connect with me.

    This is the gem from the article (my bold).

    He just couldn't quite see in himself to think he at $2.5 million thinks he has enough. HYPO-FUCKING-CRIT! So TW, how do you support someone who decides that his cut off point for taxing the rich is just above his pay grade?
    Arguing that Sanders is a hypocrite because he amassed his wealth working in a well paid government job for decades is ludicrous. Claiming he set the line of taxation below his own personal wealth specifically for his own benefit is also ludicrous. He isn't in it for himself, his campaign message is literally "Not me. Us."

    Your silly attempts to smear Sanders after previously whining about a need for Sanders supporters to "promise to unite behind the winner"? Now that's called hypocrisy, my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenwolf View Post
    Arguing that Sanders is a hypocrite because he amassed his wealth working in a well paid government job for decades is ludicrous. Claiming he set the line of taxation below his own personal wealth specifically for his own benefit is also ludicrous. He isn't in it for himself, his campaign message is literally "Not me. Us."

    Your silly attempts to smear Sanders after previously whining about a need for Sanders supporters to "promise to unite behind the winner"? Now that's called hypocrisy, my friend.
    When I have I ever whined about "promising to unite behind a winner"? I cannot think of any time I would have every said that, especially when I am a tried and true third party voter for many of the previous elections?

    A campaign message is just a slogan, "Make America Great Again". You can look at that two ways: One, when was it ever great? Two, when was it never great?

    "Not me, Us." As in we're all better together, or another view "I just a schmuck like you mad at the ultra-rich, you know those who have $3 million. Slogans are just words. I'll go with the optics and say that Bernie's threshold for what "rich" just doesn't cut the mustard when it is literally just out of his reach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by In the Corn View Post
    Do you know the mind of TS Garp? Perhaps he was talking about the other Bernie Bro, here, GITH?
    Not a Bernie Bro TYVM.

    Sandanista.

    There's a difference.

    You seem to struggle with subtleties at times brother.

    Sok, we all have our crosses to bear. :P

    Oh and Sanders have been a civil servant for over 30 years, married for about the same time so a dual income of about 100K a year for 30 years is a reasonable way to have over 2.5 million in the bank. I've several friends who worked regular jobs who have wealth at that level and they live normally.. Having a million in nest wealth is pretty easy with dual incomes over time.

    Sanders and everyone else has ALWAY mentioned the top 1% as a target for taxing.

    Do you really think it's in sanders character to pick a number that benefits HIM? If so, please share some previos examples of Sanders acting this way and/or being hypocritical.

    Unless of course you were just trolling TW, then please--carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
    Not a Bernie Bro TYVM.

    Sandanista.

    There's a difference.

    You seem to struggle with subtleties at times brother.

    Sok, we all have our crosses to bear. :P

    Oh and Sanders have been a civil servant for over 30 years, married for about the same time so a dual income of about 100K a year for 30 years is a reasonable way to have over 2.5 million in the bank. I've several friends who worked regular jobs who have wealth at that level and they live normally.. Having a million in nest wealth is pretty easy with dual incomes over time.

    Sanders and everyone else has ALWAY mentioned the top 1% as a target for taxing.

    Do you really think it's in sanders character to pick a number that benefits HIM? If so, please share some previos examples of Sanders acting this way and/or being hypocritical.

    Unless of course you were just trolling TW, then please--carry on.

    Bernie Bro/Sandanista

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    Bernie is in the Top 5% in Net Worth for Americans, a far cry closer to the 1% than your Average Joe. Let's just say I'm not crying for Bernie when it comes to money. Heck, I'm not crying for any of the candidates when it come to money. I just think the optics don't look good.
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    - nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by In the Corn View Post
    Bernie is in the Top 5% in Net Worth for Americans, a far cry closer to the 1% than your Average Joe. Let's just say I'm not crying for Bernie when it comes to money. Heck, I'm not crying for any of the candidates when it come to money. I just think the optics don't look good.
    Most of his wealth has been accumulated in the last 5 years. The article you linked to even pointed out that there is a good chance he will be subject to the estate tax. You'd have to be really naive to think he set the limit based on his own finances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by In the Corn View Post
    Bernie is in the Top 5% in Net Worth for Americans, a far cry closer to the 1% than your Average Joe. Let's just say I'm not crying for Bernie when it comes to money. Heck, I'm not crying for any of the candidates when it come to money. I just think the optics don't look good.
    Sorry, but this is bizarre to me. Are you really saying that the only candidate you'd trust to honestly care about and promote the interest of the Average Joe is another Average Joe, regardless of the candidate's actual platform and policy/voting record? If that's the case, than I guess no presidential candidate will ever be "allowed" to run on a platform of helping the poor or helping the working class because the "rigged system" Bernie Sanders has been describing already makes it essentially impossible for a poor or working class person to mount a viable candidacy for the presidency. This just makes no sense. Sanders has a long career of public/on-the-record policy positions and votes and bills and all that. Why would we cite his personal net worth as somehow negating that record?

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    I fully understand that Bernie hasn't been living high of the hog his entire life.

    When I say the optics look bad, it's the average person that isn't going to do any research other than the political ad that Trump or a PAC puts out against Bernie with this this simple information. People are lazy, and if the sound bite hits me right that's all the confirmation someone needs.
    "Looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
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    i have epiphanies like that all the time. for example i was watching a basketball game today and realized pom poms are like a pair of tits. there's 2 of them. they're round. they shake. women play with them. thus instead of having two, cheerleaders have four boobs.
    - nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by In the Corn View Post
    I fully understand that Bernie hasn't been living high of the hog his entire life.

    When I say the optics look bad, it's the average person that isn't going to do any research other than the political ad that Trump or a PAC puts out against Bernie with this this simple information. People are lazy, and if the sound bite hits me right that's all the confirmation someone needs.
    Yes, but you called him a hypocrite for setting the threshold based on his own finances. I'll assume you were just trolling at this point.

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    I don't think I'd call Bernie a hypocrite, but I would assume that he, like almost everyone else, sees "the rich" as those who have somewhat more than he does. Very few people think of themselves as "rich", no matter how much they have.

    I don't think it's crazy to think that influences his policy choices, even if it's not a conscious choice on his part.
    "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
    I don't think I'd call Bernie a hypocrite, but I would assume that he, like almost everyone else, sees "the rich" as those who have somewhat more than he does. Very few people think of themselves as "rich", no matter how much they have.

    I don't think it's crazy to think that influences his policy choices, even if it's not a conscious choice on his part.
    I don't really disagree. I was responding to ITC who implied he set the estate tax just above his level of wealth when it is actually very likely that he will exceed the amount and be subject to the tax. So if he is basing his policy choice on his own circumstances then if anything he is putting his own wealth at risk.

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