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    Quote Originally Posted by nots View Post
    Trump’s kids aren’t making $50k a month.
    They also aren’t anymore unqualified for their jobs than a guy who doesn’t speak Ukrainian working in an industry he knows nothing about. He too would be ‘1000000%’ not qualified. So if it was a big deal when Trump did it (spoiler alert:it certainly was in the bar), it ought to be a big deal now.
    Let’s flip the narrative:what possible reason would that company have to hire an unqualified guy other than to curry favor with the VP? Or to create the appearance of legitimacy?
    Trump hired his kids. Joe Biden did not. Someone else hired Joe Biden's son. I am sure they did it curry favor, but is there any evidence it worked? You really see Trump putting his kids in key positions as equivilant to someone else hiring Hunter Biden? They are not the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Masher View Post
    Trump hired his kids. Joe Biden did not. Someone else hired Joe Biden's son. I am sure they did it curry favor, but is there any evidence it worked? You really see Trump putting his kids in key positions as equivilant to someone else hiring Hunter Biden? They are not the same thing.
    So in order for it to be seedy there has to be evidence it worked? Interesting. Someone should have let those Obama administration folks they shouldn’t have been concerned then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nots View Post
    So in order for it to be seedy there has to be evidence it worked? Interesting. Someone should have let those Obama administration folks they shouldn’t have been concerned then.
    What exactly does "concerned" me to you? To me, it means, this looks potentially shady. Let's look into that to see if that is the case. Concern to me means, lets see if there is wrongdoing. I already said I'd be concerned too, and I'd look into it if Biden worked under me. Is concern code to you for actual evidence of wrongdoing? Being concerned of wrongdoing is one thing, and then finding those concerns are founded in wrongdoing is another.

    Once again, where is your evidence that Joe Biden did anything wrong here? My evidence of Trump doing wrong is that he hired his children. Pretty clear cut. What did Joe Biden do? Or should we just accept that his failure to stop his son from taking a job he is not qualified for is equivalent to he himself giving him a job? That is what you seem to be doing.

    I think your standards of judging people based on the actions of the relatives is absurd, frankly. I judge Trump based on what Trump does. Show me something bad Biden did on this issue and I will judge him on that. Him not stopping or publicly condemning his grown son from trading on his name is totally not the same thing to me as Trump hiring his own children. I can't believe you see it as the same thing. You trying to make it the same leads me to believe you must believe Joe Biden pulled strings to get Hunter that job and winked and nodded at suggestions doing so would curry his favor as VP. I do not believe that to be the case. I see no evidence for it. If that were true, I would agree, it would be just as bad, and something Biden should absolutely be condemned for doing. It should disqualify him during the primaries.

    But even if you believe they are the same, and assume the worst about Joe Biden, despite no evidence supporting that belief, Trump hiring his children is only one of a million immoral things he has done, so once again, explain how a voter primarily concerned about such matters would pick Trump over Biden?
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    nots, you believe what you are saying. you are not trolling. at least i think this is the case. but this doesnt make sense that you could hold this position. many boards, for instance dont know what mega billion dollar hospital you live near, but if you look up board members, it will consist of names of well connected, and wealthy people. compare hunter to other board members, when you see hey, they all are rich or connected shmucks with ivy league educations who have known each other for decades. surprised? if you could pull up other board members from that company maybe we all could get better handle.

    it is not the same as the frickin president inserting family into just for them created top positions in government, and interacting with world leaders and influencing policy that touches hundreds of millions of people. and pointing out 50k a month for hunter, yale law top grads after 20 years, wanna guess the average salary? This part is a doozy: "Trump’s kids aren’t making $50k a month." damn straight, any month they did not average millions would be a surprise to me. not in what regulars collect, as in a govt paycheck, but in what top 1% of 1%ers do, in dividends, rent, cap gains, whatever deal pays for their name, plus a dozen other shady deals that we cant know because we still cant see money trail from taxes that trump has been battling in court, etc.

    This is too much, trump gave directly created out of thin air jobs for family that affects millions of people. joe biden didnt give or otherwise create a job for son, he had zero to do with hunter, who landed a job using his name that was not buy private helicopter that goes on my private yacht type job, but one that if you dug into what a yale law grad makes after a couple decades is not outside the bell curve. this is hard for me to get my head around you seeing the biden situation as something that will have people leaving biden for trump. again, not that biden will even end up as a top 3 candidate, but there are real structural differences that you have to see.

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