Election 2020

[GwynnInTheHall]

No to all of this. They are all wrong. More wrong. But that isn't why I brought up the Sanders thing--I don't think he is less truthful then the rest. I think he is more truthful than the rest--I like him and would support him! I just get the impression from some here sometimes that they think Sanders and his team are damn near perfect. They aren't. And the only reason I even push back on that is just my fear that held up to the ideal of what Sanders is, or what they think he is, many of his supporters think the rest of the field is so corrupt and base that none of them are worth supporting if Sanders isn't the nominee. That scares me. I want Trump beat.

No one is perfect, but his ideals and intent are IMO-

Who else can say the same (in the dem primary field)

[The Feral Slasher]

Hmm, would a perfect person point out their perfection?

That's why I never tell people I'm perfect .

I can tell them for you, just send me an email list.

[Sour Masher]

No one is perfect, but his ideals and intent are IMO-

Who else can say the same (in the dem primary field)

Ok, but if the rest fall short of that, based on your high standards, you are basically validating my concerns. Are you going to bring the same fervor and passion to support one of the other candidates, if they are the nominee? You said you would vote for some (but left Warren off the list, and I get why, it was a dick move to do that to Bernie, but that level of sin on her part seems a pretty small things to disqualify her when comparing her to Trump imo). IDK man, I just want Trump beat, and despite the fact I do like some more than others, I think they all would be better choices than Trump. That is where I am at with it. I know you have a different take, though.

[Sour Masher]

I just think Sanders supporters may have Sanders just a tad high on the perfection pedestal sometimes. And again, I like him, and I admire his level of integrity and consistency. But he is human. He has made mistakes too. We should judge him and the rest as whole people, flaws and virtues together. If Sanders supporters see he isn't perfect, my hope is they will be more forgiving of the imperfections they see in the other candidates, if it comes to it, and weigh the whole person against the person Trump is, and vote accordingly.

[GwynnInTheHall]

GITH, you still didn't mention a single specific action that you have done or think we should do.

What have YOU done to address the problems you're taking about?

Outside of canvas for Bernie, donate to his campaign? I've been a National delegate for the Sanders campaign, I actively speak to people on my down time regarding issues in his platform. I gather signatures on petitions for issues I want to see on the ballot. I call California Legislators once a week. (call banks). I Tweet to Trump he's a fucking moron (which I'm sure is added daily to my fat folder in Washington) I try to get those who HAVE to consider those who DON'T as I work in an environment where I deal with both on a daily basis.

You have to imagine that as a supervisor in a casino (having been one for 2 decades now) I see the very desperate sitting next to the uber wealthy and have to navigate both mindsets and personalities. I don't make a lot, but I'm close to some who have to chose--do I spend this $60 on poker or eat for 2 weeks with it? They don't always make the right choice and don't always know where the next $60 is coming from. I'm also close to people who have millions have give you a $1000 tip if you say bless you when they sneeze. It's hard brother.

You do what you can, you shout, you scream you make yourself so fucking irritating that someone says--fine fuck it--I'll do it. That's what protest is all about--removing you from your comfort zone, pissing you off until you say--OK just STOP--and now that I have your attention...…….Let me ask you--What would YOU do if faced with an untenable situation? Would you stay quiet? Voice your concern? If so how loud and how long? If nothing changed what would you do? I believe you to be an honorable man so I can answer those questions for myself. Now think about it in life and death situations where a guy who just spent his last 60 bucks can't eat--yeah I know he made the choice but can you let him starve? Desperate people are nothing like most of you in here have ever had to deal with and not at all on a daily basis as I do. they're angry, willing to do whatever it takes to survive--they'll steal the $1.23 out of your cup holder if they have to Sanders fights for them--NO ONE ELSE DOES. If he can help (which I believe he can) He's the man.

Or we can continue and when that desperate guy breaks into your house to steal something or just some food--ask yourself--What MORE could I have done.

We're on the brink my friend. We go the way of the people (all of them) or the way of the corporation/oligarch and if that happens. You'd better hire some personal security because the shit show is coming. BTW Personal security is one of the fastest growing professions in the US as the wealthy are employing small armies to protect then from what they know is coming, because they know they've cause it.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Ok, but if the rest fall short of that, based on your high standards, you are basically validating my concerns. Are you going to bring the same fervor and passion to support one of the other candidates, if they are the nominee? You said you would vote for some (but left Warren off the list, and I get why, it was a dick move to do that to Bernie, but that level of sin on her part seems a pretty small things to disqualify her when comparing her to Trump imo). IDK man, I just want Trump beat, and despite the fact I do like some more than others, I think they all would be better choices than Trump. That is where I am at with it. I know you have a different take, though.

I will vote for--Sanders, Biden, Klobacther (sp) and Pete. Oh and Tulsi

[GwynnInTheHall]

I just think Sanders supporters may have Sanders just a tad high on the perfection pedestal sometimes. And again, I like him, and I admire his level of integrity and consistency. But he is human. He has made mistakes too. We should judge him and the rest as whole people, flaws and virtues together. If Sanders supporters see he isn't perfect, my hope is they will be more forgiving of the imperfections they see in the other candidates, if it comes to it, and weigh the whole person against the person Trump is, and vote accordingly.

Again, be contrite, admit the mistake and promise to be better going forward, Warren hasn't don that yet, nor has Bloomie and HRC hasn't 4 years later. It's not that difficult of a concept.

[Sour Masher]

Again, be contrite, admit the mistake and promise to be better going forward, Warren hasn't don that yet, nor has Bloomie and HRC hasn't 4 years later. It's not that difficult of a concept.

Bloomie is too cute a nickname for him, I think.

And HRC is clueless, it is true. I'm amazed at how clueless, really.

[Sour Masher]

Again, be contrite, admit the mistake and promise to be better going forward, Warren hasn't don that yet, nor has Bloomie and HRC hasn't 4 years later. It's not that difficult of a concept.

I have absolutely no doubt that Sanders and Warren would kiss and make up if either is the nominee. Warren is a real long shot at this point, though.

[GwynnInTheHall]

I have absolutely no doubt that Sanders and Warren would kiss and make up if either is the nominee. Warren is a real long shot at this point, though.

well she better start mending some fences--if she apologizes to Bernie for accusing him of that mysogonistic bullshit I'll vote for her--but if she wait's too long I'll consider her to be opportunistic and say fuck her.

[The Feral Slasher]

No to all of this. They are all wrong. More wrong. But that isn't why I brought up the Sanders thing--I don't think he is less truthful then the rest. I think he is more truthful than the rest--I like him and would support him! I just get the impression from some here sometimes that they think Sanders and his team are damn near perfect. They aren't. And the only reason I even push back on that is just my fear that held up to the ideal of what Sanders is, or what they think he is, many of his supporters think the rest of the field is so corrupt and base that none of them are worth supporting if Sanders isn't the nominee. That scares me. I want Trump beat.

Joe Biden arrested in South Africa. hmmm......

[Sour Masher]

Joe Biden arrested in South Africa. hmmm......

I really don't know if/when his lies are intentional or not. He has done better with being sharp, so that narrative has died down, but I still worry about it. Not sure if the dude is 100% all there 100% of the time.

[The Feral Slasher]

I really don't know if/when his lies are intentional or not. He has done better with being sharp, so that narrative has died down, but I still worry about it. Not sure if the dude is 100% all there 100% of the time.

Uhhhhh.....yeah. Cant wait to see him battle Trump. That ought to go well

[Teenwolf]

well she better start mending some fences--if she apologizes to Bernie for accusing him of that mysogonistic bullshit I'll vote for her--but if she wait's too long I'll consider her to be opportunistic and say fuck her.

She's been attacking Sanders non-stop the last few days.

She spreads the Bernie Bro shit, saying he needs to apologize. She spreads the anti-Semitic cliche that Bernie yells too much. She claims he hasn't released his medical records and he should. She is looking pathetic after her big debate performance.

I'm done with her. She's shown who she is. Will Bernie publicly embrace her after the primaries? Of course, you need a large coalition. She is playing the game, hoping that her delegates are needed at the convention and she can make a deal. Its selfish and gross.

She's just so phony. It's very strange to me that people here think her political calculation and lack of conviction is admirable. It boils down to trust, and who could trust someone who so publicly sticks a knife in her "friend" over such petty bullshit? Her political instincts are terrible.

[Teenwolf]

I really don't know if/when his lies are intentional or not. He has done better with being sharp, so that narrative has died down, but I still worry about it. Not sure if the dude is 100% all there 100% of the time.

You were always more willing than Revo and the rest to admit that Biden is physically compromised to the point of being unelectable.

However, I never understood your willingness to forgive his constant lying. It seems like you judge Biden based on the extremely low expectations you set for him. You say he's "done better with being sharp"... in what way? He's still lying constantly about a huge array of issues. The South African arrest fantasy being the latest example. So I don't understand why you're willing to ascribe Biden's lying to his senility when he was actually bounced from his 1988 campaign for the same issue of constantly lying. It seems you forgive and trust Biden to an unwarranted degree, given his record.