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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    I am more concerned with the health of RJ than I am arguing politics.
    I think that has more to do with attracting new blood to the baseball forums. That is what attracted me, and I did not venture to the sports bar for several years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nots View Post
    Your post seems to overlook some of the soft spots some of the Democratic candidates are going to have in certain states. Pennsylvania has 29,000 fracking jobs and another 216,000 indirectly related to the fracking industry. By nominating a candidate that is going to ban fracking, I think itís very possible that some of those folks are going to likely make peace with Trumpís boorish behavior and bullying tweets rather than support a candidate who is going to eliminate their industry.
    In Michigan the UAW right now is on strike. On of the key points of contention is that management wants to make the employees pay 15% of their health costs rather than the current 4%. The unions bargained for and have taken less pay, to get these great health plans. Is it possible quite a few union members will not vote for a candidate who wants to eliminate that private collectively bargained for health care and replace it with MFA? I think itís certainly possible. What happens if Trump wins Michigan and Pennsylvania?
    I think those kinds of issues are going to weigh more heavily than his narcissism and undeserved bravado and Democrats need a candidate more in the middle or who has a really good answer for the Pa fracker and the machinist in Michigan.
    Just my thoughts.......
    Both of your concerns are addressed in Sanders' proposals.

    Your point about fracking and fossil fuel job elimination, Sanders has proposed any worker whose job is eliminated in the Green New Deal would be compensated with their full salary for 5 years, younger workers capable of re-training are allowed a good paying job through the federal jobs guarantee. He refers to it as a "just transition" for the workers in fossil fuel and other environmentally unsustainable industries that will need to be phased out. There will be millions of new Green energy jobs created in overhauling housing efficiency, installing solar panels, overhauling the automotive industry. Endless jobs required.

    As far as worrying about union negotiated health care coverage, Sanders has also addressed this. Within the implementation of Medicare For All, any union that previously offered health insurance to their workers would be forced to re-negotiate a pay increase at a certain rate that's based on the amount the company is saving through single payer implementation. It's written into the bill, this union re-negotiation clause, but I'm not sure of the exact details. Whereas unions are currently able to leverage health insurance against workers, like those GM workers who had their health coverage pulled while striking, under Medicare For All, there is one less vulnerability for corporations to leverage. People who feel stuck in jobs they hate because of their fear of losing their health coverage, that goes away. It really enables more freedom. I think he can sell it well to Independents and Republicans if he makes it to the General.

    Warren's answer to climate change involves "green militarism", Bernie's plan costs $16 Tn, Warren's plan costs $2 Tn. I think the effects of breaching 1.5 C were projected to cost many more $Tn's, as well as exacerbating the refugee crisis by creating half a billion climate refugees. Seems worth spending that money to me.

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    Lot's to respond to so after digesting it all--here goes.

    It seems to me the issues are thus: I go after certain posters in a tone most here don't like. I wish Karmic payback on people. I seek to discourage opposition viewpoints. Maybe I'm missing something, but these three seem to be at the crux of the outrage.

    #1 I go after certain people in a tone most don't like here--Ture, after trying civil conversations and rational debate it sometimes gets to the point where I can either just drop it or say WTF is wrong with you, you ignoramus. I am about 50-50 in which course of action I follow, it really depends on how strongly I feel and the manner in which the individual I'm dealing with has responded. I will continue to piss some off in here as I will always speak my mind and there are just moments in life when you have to call a spade a spade and to hell with decorum. I, also would like to mention that I have been the target of some pretty vile statements and not once was an apology issued or a retraction made--nor did I need or expect one--I expect people to speak their midst even if it's nasty and unflattering and aimed directly at me.

    #2 I wish karmic payback on people--Absolutely true. I won't sugarcoat it--If you're a bad person I want you to stop that behavior and if not, I hope bad things happen to you. Same goes for those who enable bad people, should you not listen to reason and continue to support ad people-I want you to experience the crap that who you support makes others endure IE Grab the Pussy comment. I want to see people get what they have coming. I didn't used to be this way, but a series of events throughout my life have brought me to this point. I will attempt to make life as fair as I can make it, which to me means balancing justice or karma. If my wishing it can nudge it into existence, great some people need to be kicked in the ass at times.

    #3. I try to dissuaded opposing viewpoints--Somewhat true, I think there are points of views and opinions that have NO RIGHT being expressed as if they have any validity. None of you would allow someone from the KKK to come in here and spread their vileness, nor a Pedophile, nor an adult who thought sex with a minor is alright--I put Trumps corruption and abuse on the same level of egregiousness. So yes, I will try to stop any conversation that's supportive of this cretin or at least mock, deride those who do so. Other than that, I don't care what you talk about or how you say it.


    To wrap this up, It's been inferred that I and somehow a bad person or unstable or a danger to others and mostly by one individual. Most seem to think I just cross the line here and there and should be more thoughtful when I post, but to that One guy--My ol buddy, Ken. I'd like to say a few things I've been avoiding foisting upon the RJ community. First, I don't really believe you think I'm a danger to you or anyone in here, nor do I think you believe I'm actually a bad guy--you just don't like me--Nor I you, in fact I can't think of one person I've disliked more in my almost 6 decades on this earth, that said--in all that time I have never threatened you nor wished ill upon you or your family--not once. I just dislike you. I tried to see you in a different light, we sat and had beers, you met my soon to be wife--to your credit, you tried as well--but we are just not going to ever be even tolerable acquaintances and that's cool. If you REALLY think I'm a danger, you're not being rational. Hell I've been back in your part of Texas 3 times since last we met, it would have been easy to find out your place of work or home address and "come get ya" but nothing has ever happened like that has it, because--in the grand scheme of things, you're just some guy who's an irritation to me as I am to you. I watch as you take words and twist them to your narrative and that's fine too, I know what I've said and what my words mean--though I will take exception of you saying I attacked your family when we were arguing in box score--that's just not true. My words were something to the effect of--You will NOT speak to me/treat me like you do those you work with or your children 9something to that effect) NEVER did I attack, wish harm on or otherwise disparage your family--Ever. I did tell you to go f*ck yourself, but you had it coming.

    So there it is, in a nutshell.

    I'm going to be who I am, if that's more than the community can stomach, petition Revo to ban me. If he doesn't put me on ignore--but understand that I will always advocate for bad people and those who enable them, to get theirs. Unapologetically so. I will also own my shit when I overstep, in this case-Art- I don't believe I have.

    I'd say this will be the last I speak of this, but I can't imagine I won't at the very least get on angry response, but maybe not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenwolf View Post
    Both of your concerns are addressed in Sanders' proposals.

    Your point about fracking and fossil fuel job elimination, Sanders has proposed any worker whose job is eliminated in the Green New Deal would be compensated with their full salary for 5 years, younger workers capable of re-training are allowed a good paying job through the federal jobs guarantee. He refers to it as a "just transition" for the workers in fossil fuel and other environmentally unsustainable industries that will need to be phased out. There will be millions of new Green energy jobs created in overhauling housing efficiency, installing solar panels, overhauling the automotive industry. Endless jobs required.

    As far as worrying about union negotiated health care coverage, Sanders has also addressed this. Within the implementation of Medicare For All, any union that previously offered health insurance to their workers would be forced to re-negotiate a pay increase at a certain rate that's based on the amount the company is saving through single payer implementation. It's written into the bill, this union re-negotiation clause, but I'm not sure of the exact details. Whereas unions are currently able to leverage health insurance against workers, like those GM workers who had their health coverage pulled while striking, under Medicare For All, there is one less vulnerability for corporations to leverage. People who feel stuck in jobs they hate because of their fear of losing their health coverage, that goes away. It really enables more freedom. I think he can sell it well to Independents and Republicans if he makes it to the General.

    Warren's answer to climate change involves "green militarism", Bernie's plan costs $16 Tn, Warren's plan costs $2 Tn. I think the effects of breaching 1.5 C were projected to cost many more $Tn's, as well as exacerbating the refugee crisis by creating half a billion climate refugees. Seems worth spending that money to me.
    These are very compelling promises, f he can keep them. Will voters believe he can keep them, would be the main issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post

    To wrap this up, It's been inferred that I and somehow a bad person or unstable or a danger to others and mostly by one individual. Most seem to think I just cross the line here and there and should be more thoughtful when I post, but to that One guy--My ol buddy, Ken. I'd like to say a few things I've been avoiding foisting upon the RJ community. First, I don't really believe you think I'm a danger to you or anyone in here, nor do I think you believe I'm actually a bad guy--you just don't like me--Nor I you, in fact I can't think of one person I've disliked more in my almost 6 decades on this earth, that said--in all that time I have never threatened you nor wished ill upon you or your family--not once. I just dislike you. I tried to see you in a different light, we sat and had beers, you met my soon to be wife--to your credit, you tried as well--but we are just not going to ever be even tolerable acquaintances and that's cool. If you REALLY think I'm a danger, you're not being rational. Hell I've been back in your part of Texas 3 times since last we met, it would have been easy to find out your place of work or home address and "come get ya" but nothing has ever happened like that has it, because--in the grand scheme of things, you're just some guy who's an irritation to me as I am to you. I watch as you take words and twist them to your narrative and that's fine too, I know what I've said and what my words mean--though I will take exception of you saying I attacked your family when we were arguing in box score--that's just not true. My words were something to the effect of--You will NOT speak to me/treat me like you do those you work with or your children 9something to that effect) NEVER did I attack, wish harm on or otherwise disparage your family--Ever. I did tell you to go f*ck yourself, but you had it coming.
    Dude, why are you airing your dirty laundry yet again? You cussed me out on a text message for not taking the time to fix your fantasy baseball problem (which, as it turns out was actually a mistake on your part), while I was on vacation with my family. I had directed you to Byron while I was out, but instead you decided your fantasy baseball problem was more important than someone else's time with their family, and sent a text message to me which my wife read aloud while I was driving about how I needed to "f*cking handle" your problem already. And as you noted, you aren't the type to apologize, you don't take responsibility for your actions. The puzzle pieces all fit together.

    For some reason you think you know about my interactions with my daughters and my coworkers such that you asked me not to speak to you like them, something we've never discussed and something that is very odd to bring up considering your ignorance on the topic. And the fact that it even comes to your mind to "find your place of work or home address and come get ya", is demented - why would you even mention something like that? Gross. As far as "go f*ck yourself", I don't remember 100%, but yeah, that certainly sounds like something you'd say to me. It lines up with numerous other messages you sent to other owners in our fantasy baseball league over what was supposed to be a fun hobby. Does anyone wonder why every time the name "Doig" comes up we celebrate the fact that you are long gone?

    Look, we've discussed this numerous times. I think everyone can see why I don't like you - you hit below the belt and refuse to apologize. Over, and over, and over. You are clearly a narcissist. There is no blow too low for GITH. The I hope your wife and daughter are sexually assaulted comment, which you refuse to back down from says it all (along with the name calling / etc). I wish I could say it was a surprise. The editing/deleting/censorships of posts you don't agree with (while you yourself posted much, much worse) was another character tell.

    I don't think it's a secret to anyone why someone would not like GITH - you have laid it all out there.

    I guess the question is why anyone would want that garbage to be on this board? What's the point of you airing it out here? I commented on the content of the post you made to Art, because it was so vile and disgusting. Pretty sure that everyone here that has responded agrees with that, it's not like my comment was something unique. I guess the question back to you is what will it take for you to stop hitting people below the belt and posting disgusting content hoping for sexual assaults? Whether you like it or not, there's a decorum to follow, one which, if ignored, makes this place less than pleasant. Sure, you can continue calling people vile names and wishing harm on their families. But why would anyone want to read that? What are you hoping that others get out it? (oh yeah, narcissistic personality disorder, I take that back...) what exactly do you get out of it?

    And is that what people want this place to be about? This isn't the GITH board, this is the RJ board. Do you really think those who read and post here want to read that vile garbage you spew? I know I'm questioning if I really want to be involved in a community that supports the type of hate that you spew (over, and over).

    Regardless, I've had my say, and I'd request in the future if you have interest in revisiting why we did not get along in person, or really anything off topic, just send a PM. There's no reason to air your dirty laundry here. You've done it multiple times, there's no need to revisit it.

    Got anything to say on Election 2020 that doesn't involve sexually assaulting someone?

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    That's my boy. Just the response I expected. Thanks for not dissapointing.

    BTW, you're pretty good at that low blow thing yourself.

    Kudos

    Have a great day.
    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

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    Quote Originally Posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
    That's my boy. Just the response I expected. Thanks for not dissapointing.

    BTW, you're pretty good at that low blow thing yourself.

    Kudos

    Have a great day.
    ďBoyĒ eh? Classy.

    So I guess your answer is a) no interest in using a PM to continue the discussion, you still have more blows you want to make public, b) still no contrition for your out of the blue vitriol and c) no you donít have anything to discuss on the election other thank making sure people know you want their wives and daughters assaulted if they donít agree with you politically.

    Love the whataboutism here though! Maybe that was your political point (we are reaching here).

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    You got me all figured out.
    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

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    Thank god we have you to fight the good fight GITH. I don't know how we can be worthy.
    I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyelander View Post
    Thank god we have you to fight the good fight GITH. I don't know how we can be worthy.
    I am having flash backs to the 2016 election, when he was certain he was the only one here with any morality at all, because he threaded the needle of both reviling Trump and also not voting for HRC, AND hoping the world would burn, to teach everyone a lesson. GITH, you had the foresight to see what was coming, and you knew it would be bad, but you still wished for it to happen, because of how Sanders was treated by the DNC. You lashed out at Art, but he at least thinks Trump is a net positive. You knew Trump was a negative, but still wished him upon us and wanted the pain he'd cause people as punishment for a corrupt system, even though that pain would be inflicted on many of those you say you want to help. Basically, the same sort of "karmic" retribution you wished upon Art. All the while, saying you were morally pure and anyone who voted for HRC was a garbage person. I didn't get it then and I don't get it now.

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