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    There is no way that the Dems run Biden as the Pres. candidate. They are a fast moving train that is rolling left left left........ There will be no moderate voice there. When people like Michael Moore say Ocasio-Cortez should be "the Democrats Leader" they are telling the Dems flat out - keep moving left left left. Nope Bidens days as an option are long long gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldgriff View Post
    There is no way that the Dems run Biden as the Pres. candidate. They are a fast moving train that is rolling left left left........ There will be no moderate voice there. When people like Michael Moore say Ocasio-Cortez should be "the Democrats Leader" they are telling the Dems flat out - keep moving left left left. Nope Bidens days as an option are long long gone.
    I think you'd be surprised. The DNC succeeded in the November 2018 House elections by recruiting and supporting candidates representative of the broader electorate they needed to win each district, including the districts they intended to flip and the districts that Trump won in 2016. The left wing probably wouldn't be happy with anyone other than Sanders or Warren (or a younger candidate wholly embracing the Sanders or Warren agenda). I think there's a much better chance for a "mainstream" candidate, bolstered by enough poll-tested progressive proposals to avoid completely losing the left, to secure the nomination.

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    Interesting take B-fly. I think the biggest problem the Dems may have is keeping both the middle left and the far left. The more progressive socialist left of the party seem to really be pushing the boundaries of the party. Remember the biggest problem with Bernie in the primaries was - "He's not even a Democrat - He's a Socialist". Now you have more of those not really Democrats in the camp and they are loudly pushing the party to the left.

    It will be interesting to see where this ends up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldgriff View Post
    Interesting take B-fly. I think the biggest problem the Dems may have is keeping both the middle left and the far left. The more progressive socialist left of the party seem to really be pushing the boundaries of the party. Remember the biggest problem with Bernie in the primaries was - "He's not even a Democrat - He's a Socialist". Now you have more of those not really Democrats in the camp and they are loudly pushing the party to the left.

    It will be interesting to see where this ends up.
    Of course, no matter who the Democrats nominate, the Republican Party, conservative PACs and think tanks, and Russia, will try to convince all of us that the nominee is an identity-politics peddling Socialist who hates white people and America.

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    It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
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    I am a liberal democrat and would be a lot happier with a centrist democrat or less progressive democrat WINNING
    than a liberal/progressive democrat LOSING

    I think moving to the center would gain more votes and lose less left votes.

    I am still waiting for Sherrod Brown or John Hickenlooper to announce candidacy.

    An interesting BIden strategy was floated out there.
    Biden runs promising only one term (dispelling age issues)
    announces more progressive VP candidate early on as part of a ticket
    says that VP will be groomed to be president after 4 years

    just a thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by B-Fly View Post
    Of course, no matter who the Democrats nominate, the Republican Party, conservative PACs and think tanks, and Russia, will try to convince all of us that the nominee is an identity-politics peddling Socialist who hates white people and America.
    Exactly similar to the way the Democrats, liberal PACs and think tanks label every Republican nominee as a racist, homophobe looking to cancel their social security so they give another tax break to the 1%, who are all Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampdragon View Post
    I am a liberal democrat and would be a lot happier with a centrist democrat or less progressive democrat WINNING
    than a liberal/progressive democrat LOSING

    I think moving to the center would gain more votes and lose less left votes.

    I am still waiting for Sherrod Brown or John Hickenlooper to announce candidacy.

    An interesting BIden strategy was floated out there.
    Biden runs promising only one term (dispelling age issues)
    announces more progressive VP candidate early on as part of a ticket
    says that VP will be groomed to be president after 4 years

    just a thought
    I agree. Biden will win easily. Some of the further left candidates will be a much heavier lift. Hopefully the folks voting in Democratic primaries realize this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nots View Post
    Exactly similar to the way the Democrats, liberal PACs and think tanks label every Republican nominee as a racist, homophobe looking to cancel their social security so they give another tax break to the 1%, who are all Republicans.
    True, and add Russia to that list, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nots View Post
    I agree. Biden will win easily. Some of the further left candidates will be a much heavier lift. Hopefully the folks voting in Democratic primaries realize this.
    I disagree. Democrats have a long history of pulling down front-runners. I don't know who will come out of the pack, but I am confident there will be someone.

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