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    Quote Originally Posted by baldgriff View Post
    Anytime governments have tried to make life fair among its citizenry it has turned out bad for the citizenry. Mao, Stalin, Marx, Khmer Rouge, N. Korea and on and on and on... hundreds of millions of dead stacked up like chord wood to make life fair for its citizens - even down to the point that you were killed because you had glasses....
    Lol, yeah Stalin and Mao and North Koreans tried so hard to make life better for there citizens, but they found out it's just not possible for a government to do that ! Try really hard and I'll bet you can think of a few things our government has done in the last 200 years that have improved peoples lives.

    trying to provide health care for citizens is just exactly the same as killing people because they wear glasses. Wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    Lol, yeah Stalin and Mao and North Koreans tried so hard to make life better for there citizens, but they found out it's just not possible for a government to do that ! Try really hard and I'll bet you can think of a few things our government has done in the last 200 years that have improved peoples lives.

    trying to provide health care for citizens is just exactly the same as killing people because they wear glasses. Wow
    I didnt say that the tried to make life BETTER for their citizens - I said they tried to make life FAIR among its citizenry. You appear to equate BETTER with FAIR. They are not necessarily the same.

    Our government gave people the right to be DIFFERENT and strive for whatever individual goals they may like to achieve. We also abolished slavery, gave women the vote, there are a vast number of things our founding fathers provided that we have built upon - and not at the expense of 100's of millions of dead people.
    It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldgriff View Post
    I didnt say that the tried to make life BETTER for their citizens - I said they tried to make life FAIR among its citizenry. You appear to equate BETTER with FAIR. They are not necessarily the same.

    Our government gave people the right to be DIFFERENT and strive for whatever individual goals they may like to achieve. We also abolished slavery, gave women the vote, there are a vast number of things our founding fathers provided that we have built upon - and not at the expense of 100's of millions of dead people.
    ok. If you think that making life fair for all citizens is what those guys were interested in and that it applies to health care in the U.S. or any other issue in our country right now it's probably not worth discussing further. Were they killing people with glasses to make life fair ? Come on dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldgriff View Post
    I didnt say that the tried to make life BETTER for their citizens - I said they tried to make life FAIR among its citizenry. You appear to equate BETTER with FAIR. They are not necessarily the same.

    Our government gave people the right to be DIFFERENT and strive for whatever individual goals they may like to achieve. We also abolished slavery, gave women the vote, there are a vast number of things our founding fathers provided that we have built upon - and not at the expense of 100's of millions of dead people.
    So the evil people killed people with glasses to make people equal, but we abolished slavery and gave women the right to vote in order to give individuals rights ? You don't think abolishing slavery or giving women the right to vote made things fair or equal ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldgriff View Post
    And it is our job to continue saying - Why do you care who the love or have sex with, it is not a factor in their leadership capabilities. So we have to change their minds about this and continue having the conversation. Labeling someone an Xist or Xophobe does nothing to further the conversation. The day HRC labeled multiple millions as deplorable was likely the day she lost the election.



    First - I understand that you believe I have little empathy. I have stated in these conversations I understand being seen as crass or "uber-pragmatic". None of us get to start in the same spot, and none of us get the same lives (that just the nature of our existence). Fortunately for us, we do live in a country that allows us to work hard, make good decisions and hopefully prosper more and more. The fact that some start further ahead than other proves my "Rule #1".

    Second I agree that people should not have to put up with some of the crap life throws at them. The only difference here between me and others here is that I dont place the responsibility of making my life better on the government. Anytime governments have tried to make life fair among its citizenry it has turned out bad for the citizenry. Mao, Stalin, Marx, Khmer Rouge, N. Korea and on and on and on... hundreds of millions of dead stacked up like chord wood to make life fair for its citizens - even down to the point that you were killed because you had glasses....

    I dont want the government trying to make things "equal", I want government that allows us to live our own lives and in general leaves us alone to make our own lives as we see fit.
    It easy for us to say we don’t want Government trying to make things equal. By us I mean straight white Males. We come out of the Shute with no current biological handicap! But if the Government hadn’t step in we might still have slavery, no right to vote for women and blacks.... and even if they could “take care of themselves”. They still live in fear EVERYDAY because color of skin, sexual preference... because of a mass amount of the population WHO DONT THINK OR WILL EVER THINK THEY ARE EQUAL. THAT is why we and OUR Government must get involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    So the evil people killed people with glasses to make people equal, but we abolished slavery and gave women the right to vote in order to give individuals rights ? You don't think abolishing slavery or giving women the right to vote made things fair or equal ?
    The abolition of slavery and giving women the right to voter - created more diverse thought and allowed people the opportunity to express themselves more openly as individuals which is certainly not the same as killing millions of people because they appeared "smarter" than other individuals. Honestly, are you really trying to make an equivalency between Socialist Dictatorships killing millions and millions of people to our country offering up and providing people "individual" freedoms?

    Its silly to think that you believe that these things are anywhere equivalent.

    One of these actions is to the benefit of the government and the other is to the benefit of the individual person. I guess you can decide which is which.
    It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldgriff View Post
    The abolition of slavery and giving women the right to voter - created more diverse thought and allowed people the opportunity to express themselves more openly as individuals which is certainly not the same as killing millions of people because they appeared "smarter" than other individuals. Honestly, are you really trying to make an equivalency between Socialist Dictatorships killing millions and millions of people to our country offering up and providing people "individual" freedoms?

    Its silly to think that you believe that these things are anywhere equivalent.

    One of these actions is to the benefit of the government and the other is to the benefit of the individual person. I guess you can decide which is which.
    That wasn't at all what I was doing. I was responding to your earlier post that every time a government tries to make things fair it ends up bad for their people. Ending slavery and recognizing women's right to vote make things fair, but apparently you view it differently. Anyway, I think we can just agree to disagree

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    That wasn't at all what I was doing. I was responding to your earlier post that every time a government tries to make things fair it ends up bad for their people. Ending slavery and recognizing women's right to vote make things fair, but apparently you view it differently. Anyway, I think we can just agree to disagree
    The actions of the Socialist Dictators was an attempt to make each individual equal to the other, and you are punished for being extraordinary or better than the mean. The government is in control and determining how everyone should be "equal". The offering of freedom and individuality to the slaves and women placed the honus on the individual to be in control of themselves. Lots of big differences there behind the motivations of the Socialists and our government granting more freedoms.

    That said, Ive agreed to disagree with many a person and am always happy to do so. Thanks FS for the discussion!
    It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
    Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address


    "When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra

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    Name recognition is obviously a big part of it this early, but in national polling and in critical Midwestern swing state polling (most recently Iowa and Michigan), Joe Biden is still performing the best both against the Democratic field and head-to-head against Trump.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

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    Sean Hannity yesterday already was playing the "Biden highlight reel," which includes him saying of Obama in 2007, "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

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