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  • Originally posted by revo View Post
    They're pretty much all about shenanigans now. Before Dopey, at least they had principles. But now? 100% shenanigans.
    Eh, I don't think those "principles" were ever very strong to begin with. They've always been concerned primarily with protecting wealth and power for their donors.
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    • Originally posted by DMT View Post
      Eh, I don't think those "principles" were ever very strong to begin with. They've always been concerned primarily with protecting wealth and power for their donors.
      and now Trump is just worried about his wealth and power
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      • The latest polls are depressing. Trump is closing the gap in 9 of 12 swing states, and Dems are losing ground in some key senate races. What on earth, is happening in the Kelly McSally race? I thought he had it in the bag, but some polls are showing him going from a 13 pt lead to now being behind. I don't get it--why the sudden, steep drop?

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        • Some good advice for those trying to get last minute MAGA converts. Basic stuff, really, but good reminder. Don't attack. Find out someone's own values and point out how Trump contradicts those values. Data doesn't convince people. Asking people what they care about and pointing out how that is in contradiction to what Trump does is the best path.

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          • Originally posted by Sour Masher View Post
            The latest polls are depressing. Trump is closing the gap in 9 of 12 swing states, and Dems are losing ground in some key senate races. What on earth, is happening in the Kelly McSally race? I thought he had it in the bag, but some polls are showing him going from a 13 pt lead to now being behind. I don't get it--why the sudden, steep drop?
            Where are you seeing that on Trump?

            There's the Insider Advantage poll in Pennsylvania, the Siena College poll in Texas, and the Rasmussen poll in Florida, those three all very favorable for Trump. Otherwise I don't see much movement toward him in the swing states.
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            • Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
              Where are you seeing that on Trump?

              There's the Insider Advantage poll in Pennsylvania, the Siena College poll in Texas, and the Rasmussen poll in Florida, those three all very favorable for Trump. Otherwise I don't see much movement toward him in the swing states.
              USA Today Polls maybe? Saw this article on MSN

              I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...

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              • Originally posted by heyelander View Post
                USA Today Polls maybe? Saw this article on MSN

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...rtan-ntp-feeds
                Ah, thanks. That article is comparing over the last week, and that might be true. I don't think there's been any substantial movement toward Trump in the last couple days worth of polls (and of course polls are lagging indicators).

                I still think Texas is going to be super close, within 1-2 points, with high turnout driving some chance of a narrow Biden victory, but the Siena College poll is giving me some pause on that. Many of the other recent polls in Texas have Biden even or up by 1 point.
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                • Originally posted by Sour Masher View Post
                  What on earth, is happening in the Kelly McSally race? I thought he had it in the bag, but some polls are showing him going from a 13 pt lead to now being behind. I don't get it--why the sudden, steep drop?
                  Many believe Kelly's campaign has had some pretty serious unforced errors recently - some pretty bad/ineffective ads, an unconvincing answer to McSally's charges his businesses are too involved with China, and his campaign spokesperson having tweets calling police "worthless f---ing pigs" all haven't helped.
                  I'm just here for the baseball.

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                  • Originally posted by chancellor View Post
                    Many believe Kelly's campaign has had some pretty serious unforced errors recently - some pretty bad/ineffective ads, an unconvincing answer to McSally's charges his businesses are too involved with China, and his campaign spokesperson having tweets calling police "worthless f---ing pigs" all haven't helped.
                    If the campaign spokesperson tweets revelation is recent, that explains a lot, I guess.

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                    • Originally posted by Sour Masher View Post
                      If the campaign spokesperson tweets revelation is recent, that explains a lot, I guess.
                      10/15, I believe.
                      I'm just here for the baseball.

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                      • I see almost no movement in Arizona in the forecast model it has been pretty regularly at 78%, the high was 80% and is at 78% today. The only favorable poll for McSally is a Rasmussen poll, Rasmussen had the Republicans holding the house in 2018 so not exactly someone whose polling data is reliable. The other good poll was a C rated Susq. poll for McSally. The last two A rated or better polls have Kelly up 8 and 11. This is a lean D race for sure

                        Latest forecasts and polls for the 2020 Senate elections by Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight


                        The pres. continues to be very steady despite everyone wanting to say things will tighten. The 538 model keeps the race at 87/12/1 tie. 88 has been the high and listening to Nate's podcast the model may move to Biden if nothing else changes over this week because when there are no other events to happen you have to lean more on the polls.

                        Latest forecast of the 2020 presidential election between President Donald Trump and Joe Biden by Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight


                        The media wants a tight race but the national average is 9.4 today which is down from 10.7 and in swing states I am not seeing movement that matters in those swing states. Here are the 3 states that still matter most and they are outside the MOE. As Nate pointed out a MOE can go both ways not just Trumps way.

                        Scroll down these links and look at polling avg not just the models projection.

                        PA avg Biden +5
                        Latest forecast of the 2020 presidential election between President Donald Trump and Joe Biden by Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight


                        WI avg Biden + 7
                        Latest forecast of the 2020 presidential election between President Donald Trump and Joe Biden by Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight


                        MI avg Biden +7
                        Latest forecast of the 2020 presidential election between President Donald Trump and Joe Biden by Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight


                        So look anyone can write an article and cherry pick polls that make the argument they want, but look at polling data as a whole. Check back in Friday and when Biden is still near 87 remember Clinton was down to 65 on that day and this isn't 2016 and Biden has much better favorable and has been hammering PA with visits and ads.

                        We can all worry for plenty of reasons, but again the math is still in Biden's favor and the clock is running out for Trump.

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                        • And unlike 2016, the amount of votes already sent in via mail or done through early voting is much larger. A late game surprise may not have anything close to the impact of Comey's investigation announcement.

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                          • People may wonder why I keep bringing up the numbers in Texas. The popular narrative is that if Texas goes blue, then the whole country will have gone blue, and it won't matter. I'm not quite convinced that's the case. I think there is a chance that Texas is bluer in this election than one or more of the supposedly more important swing states of North Carolina, Florida, Wisconsin, or Pennsylvania. I don't think it's necessarily >50% likely, but it's a lot more likely than people are giving it credit for. I think if this election unexpectedly tightens a little bit in the final week, that Texas could be the swing state.
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                            • I don't think I'm entirely without credibility on this. I've been consistent for a couple years now that no challenger had a snowball's chance in hell of defeating John Cornyn for Senate, even when others here expressed such hopes.

                              I think the presidential race in Texas this year hinges on turnout, and early turnout has been really high. I know it's been high everywhere, but in Texas it's been really high, and Texas being a solid red state in the past has hinged on it being a very low turnout state.

                              Trump's chances of holding Texas depend on that early turnout having been the Democrats shifting their vote from election day. All the granular data I've seen at county level does not support that conclusion, but I guess we will know for sure in 8 or 9 days.
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                              • Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
                                I don't think I'm entirely without credibility on this. I've been consistent for a couple years now that no challenger had a snowball's chance in hell of defeating John Cornyn for Senate, even when others here expressed such hopes.

                                I think the presidential race in Texas this year hinges on turnout, and early turnout has been really high. I know it's been high everywhere, but in Texas it's been really high, and Texas being a solid red state in the past has hinged on it being a very low turnout state.

                                Trump's chances of holding Texas depend on that early turnout having been the Democrats shifting their vote from election day. All the granular data I've seen at county level does not support that conclusion, but I guess we will know for sure in 8 or 9 days.
                                I hope you are right, but I can't seem to bring myself to really believe it is possible. The last time Texas went blue was in 76 for Carter, the year before I was born. Since then it hasn't been close, and even Trump, who got the lowest percentage for a Repub in my lifetime still won by 9 pts. So, for me Texas has always been as red as steer meat, and I can't see it any other way. It would certainly shake things up nationally if Texas became a legit swing state, though.

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