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    Quote Originally Posted by In the Corn View Post
    TW, you mention Biden referring to Obama as "the last/past president" often. While, yes, he may be losing his memory, and that is truly sad, not just for him, but anyoe who is losing their memory, or, and this might be a big or, Biden has an understanding that if he wants to pull moderates and Never Trump Republicans, he needs to distance himself from Obama, just a little bit. It may be great strategies.

    Just offering another point of view on that.
    I recognize that could be an intentional strategy for Biden, but from his usage of vague titles in the heat of debate, I honestly think its failing mental faculties more so than intentional calculation. When he gets slammed on Medicare for All and starts speaking about "the last president", "the current president", "the senator to my left", and "the senator to my right", that was exactly what I posted he would do in my prediction. Vague terms/titles because he's afraid of messing up, or simply cannot recall the names. I think the pattern is extremely clear, and I posted about the vagueness before the debate happened.

    Have you taken any time to analyze his answer about black families needing social workers to show them what to do? Put on the record player, etc? If he weren't completely protected by a biased media, this answer would have ended him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by In the Corn View Post
    TW, you mention Biden referring to Obama as "the last/past president" often. While, yes, he may be losing his memory, and that is truly sad, not just for him, but anyoe who is losing their memory, or, and this might be a big or, Biden has an understanding that if he wants to pull moderates and Never Trump Republicans, he needs to distance himself from Obama, just a little bit. It may be great strategies.

    Just offering another point of view on that.
    Wait, I thought his whole strategy to win the Democratic nomination was to tie himself to Obama ? And then in the general election he could pivot back. He shouldn't be campaigning to Republicans at this point

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    Wow, Harris dropped to fifth in a California Democratic Primary Poll, which even more than her steep drop in the national primary polls suggests that she may be flat-lining. Biden, Warren and Sanders are a crystal clear top three, way out ahead of anyone else. Buttigieg and Harris are a lot closer to Yang, Booker and O'Rourke than they are to the top three. Obviously there's still some time for things to change, but I'd put the odds at 85 percent, at least, that the nominee will be one of those top three.

    I agree with Teenwolf that the breakdown in support among those three is far more complicated than "Biden - moderate; Sanders and Warren - progressive". I can see various reasons why a supporter of any of those three candidates might slide one way or the other if their favored candidate were to falter/withdraw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by In the Corn View Post
    TW, you mention Biden referring to Obama as "the last/past president" often. While, yes, he may be losing his memory, and that is truly sad, not just for him, but anyoe who is losing their memory, or, and this might be a big or, Biden has an understanding that if he wants to pull moderates and Never Trump Republicans, he needs to distance himself from Obama, just a little bit. It may be great strategies.

    Just offering another point of view on that.
    I think it is clearly a purposeful strategy, because I have seen him start to say Obama and correct himself many times. Oddly, he is not shy at all in evoking Obama era policies or being proud of what they did while in office. It is like just the name is taboo, like Voldamort. It is weird and I don't get it. Obama's name should not be at all toxic to moderates or independents. I know there was a lot of fear mongering about him on the right, but he actually governed like a centrist on most things. He didn't take everyone's guns like was so often touted by gun makers to drum up sales (it worked, gun sales were at all time high under Obama).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Masher View Post
    I think it is clearly a purposeful strategy, because I have seen him start to say Obama and correct himself many times. Oddly, he is not shy at all in evoking Obama era policies or being proud of what they did while in office. It is like just the name is taboo, like Voldamort. It is weird and I don't get it. Obama's name should not be at all toxic to moderates or independents. I know there was a lot of fear mongering about him on the right, but he actually governed like a centrist on most things. He didn't take everyone's guns like was so often touted by gun makers to drum up sales (it worked, gun sales were at all time high under Obama).
    You're right, it makes zero sense to hesitate to say Obama's name at this point. Obama is the main thing he's running on. Why would he hesitate to call Sanders or Warren by their names though? What about "the health and hu-... the health department"? I think these verbal slips are of the same nature. That's why I don't think they're intentional, aside from his content being a rambling pile of nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenwolf View Post
    You're right, it makes zero sense to hesitate to say Obama's name at this point. Obama is the main thing he's running on. Why would he hesitate to call Sanders or Warren by their names though? What about "the health and hu-... the health department"? I think these verbal slips are of the same nature. That's why I don't think they're intentional, aside from his content being a rambling pile of nonsense.
    I think it could be a little from column A and a little from column B. I have seen Biden fumble and forget names, to be sure. That has been well documented at this point. But I think the Obama thing is purposeful. Maybe he fumbled it so much they decided to lean into it. I don't know the reason, but I have definitely seen him stop himself from saying Obama's name, even while touting his presidency and policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Masher View Post
    I think it could be a little from column A and a little from column B. I have seen Biden fumble and forget names, to be sure. That has been well documented at this point. But I think the Obama thing is purposeful. Maybe he fumbled it so much they decided to lean into it. I don't know the reason, but I have definitely seen him stop himself from saying Obama's name, even while touting his presidency and policies.
    I agree that I've noticed his intention to avoid saying Obama and other names. It's just that I can't come up with a strategic reason to avoid using any of their names in the primary, as I've said, it makes it hard to follow who or what the hell he's talking about.

    The answer regarding the legacy of slavery should have made folks realize how far Biden has fallen, but nobody touches it. Trump would obliterate Biden, being shielded from such mild attacks as Julian Castro's with the narrative "he's too mean"... yeah, we wouldn't want to test someone against meanness, going up against Trump and all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenwolf View Post
    It's just that I can't come up with a strategic reason to avoid using any of their names in the primary
    Seems like he's the biggest "name" in the race - that's the biggest thing he has going for him at this point. The general uninformed public knows Joe Biden, they don't know several of the other candidates. And the majority of the clips coming out of debates will be of Biden/Sanders/Warren. It's to his advantage *not* to use other names as people are watching those clips and listening to those sound bites. Because again, his main advantage right now is name recognition. The more the other names get repeated, the smaller Biden's advantage in that department.

    Now, not saying that's the reason, but I certainly see the strategy play there, don't you?

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    Latest Fox News poll has good news for the Dems, TW fave Biden in particular:

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    General Election: Trump vs. Biden	FOX News	Biden 52, Trump 38	Biden +14
    General Election: Trump vs. Sanders	FOX News	Sanders 48, Trump 40	Sanders +8
    General Election: Trump vs. Warren	FOX News	Warren 46, Trump 40	Warren +6
    General Election: Trump vs. Harris	FOX News	Harris 42, Trump 40	Harris +2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    Seems like he's the biggest "name" in the race - that's the biggest thing he has going for him at this point. The general uninformed public knows Joe Biden, they don't know several of the other candidates. And the majority of the clips coming out of debates will be of Biden/Sanders/Warren. It's to his advantage *not* to use other names as people are watching those clips and listening to those sound bites. Because again, his main advantage right now is name recognition. The more the other names get repeated, the smaller Biden's advantage in that department.

    Now, not saying that's the reason, but I certainly see the strategy play there, don't you?
    No. Not being able to remember the names of people, places, or things is not in any way an intentional strategy. Twisting yourself into a pretzel to make it make sense is silly.

    He's forgotten Obama's name multiple times publicly now. "President... my boss" was really brutal. You think that was intentional? Calling Bernie "the President" in the last debate, how about that? Saying his failing mental faculties is charming and folksy and denying anything is wrong is exactly like Trump. "He tells it like it is" has been used to describe both, despite Biden's blatant and consistent lying about his record.

    I respect Revo's opinion, but allow me to be blunt. I think Biden's supporters at this stage are nuts. He's such a clear loser. The argument to support him, that he gets all the old black voters that would show up anyway, is obviously idiotic. You need a candidate to turn folks out, not turn them off. Millenials are the key. Biden won't get them out.

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