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    Quote Originally Posted by DMT View Post
    Another SCOTUS L for Trump. All the people who can justify voting Trump because they want to criminalize abortion should feel pretty demoralized.
    not to go there but for politicians (not economists or democracy or religion and morals), it's about increasing electoral votes. if a state has an increasing population you get more representatives in congress which increases your states electoral votes- and increases your chances for winning said state and winning the executive office. by denying reproductive rights to the poor and then disenfranchising them but getting them on the census, it's a win, win, win scenario. you gain electoral votes and get more competition for cheap labor. but you also create a welfare state, unless you can minimize food stamps, welfare, medicare , medicad and disability etc..

    red state's political opposition to abortion has nothing to do morals but everything to do with politics and economics. ..any person that ever played a civilization themed simulation game like Tropico or Civilization will tell you this.

    Texas is slated to gain 3 electoral votes next census and most red states will gain while blue state will not. this is also a combination of rents and silicon valley taking over rich blue states and people cannot afford to live there anymore or are homeless and not counted. as a result you see states like NY with quadruple less influence than they used to have back in the day and Florida with more.

    reproductive edicts in politics rarely have anything to do with morality. even though it probably should. because when you champion voodoo economics you end up with people worth 50 billion dollars while 90% of the population lives like Argentina and sure they live in slums, but they all have direct TV dishes on top of there crumbing habitats. but it's all good because people are still better off now than 100 years ago when we still managed to increase labor capacity during a 500 year old mini ice age due to volcanic activity.

    the main point is when the economy is good, rich people with greater chances of success due to inheritance and a slanted economy and better circumstantial chances have higher birth rates and poor ppl with lower chances of success have the same. but when the economy is bad people with more money have lower birth rates, while poor people still have the same. but if you can disenfranchise them while taking away their reproductive rights but still count them, you can gain electoral votes, and it doesn't matter politically.

    living privileged and living not is two different worlds. jobs are outsourced. inadequate training. corporations and political individuals with offshore banking avoiding taxes. everyone just being out for themselves with no social contract in the community. this is what happens.

    i'll give you an analogy. if a farmer decided i'll just cut corners and let my land degrade because it allows me to make more money faster this year. but the next year it will make my land harder to grow crops. quick fixes and stock market sugar highs are a bad strategy for everyone.

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    which is why I never fill out the census and make them come after me.

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    On Saturday, June 27, 2020, comedian Sacha Baron Cohen disguised himself as a bearded blue grass singer at the “March for Our Rights 3” rally in downtown Olympia, Washington, and got the right-wing militia attendees to sing racist lyrics along with him about Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Liberals, and others for several minutes. Eventually, the rally organizers fought their way past Cohen's security team and unplugged the sound system before Cohen, the band, and security team all fled in several vehicles parked behind the stage.

    The event was hosted by the Washington Three Percenters, a far-right militia group that has previously organized gun rights rallies. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, “The reference to 3 percent stems from the dubious historical claim that only 3 percent of American colonists fought against the British during the War of Independence.”

    I didn't post the Youtube video here since some of the song lyrics are offensive. If you want to look for it on a Youtube, there are several versions. The shorter versions are around 2 minutes and just show the end where the organizers start yelling and the rest of the crowd starts booing. The organizers later tried to say that the crowd wasn't singing along. But, there is an 8 minute version that clearly shows the crowd laughing, cheering, and singing along with the racist lyrics. Not sure if Youtube will leave the videos up. It is believed that Cohen filmed the "prank" for an upcoming episode of his "Who is America" show which airs on Showtime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madducks View Post
    On Saturday, June 27, 2020, comedian Sacha Baron Cohen disguised himself as a bearded blue grass singer at the “March for Our Rights 3” rally in downtown Olympia, Washington, and got the right-wing militia attendees to sing racist lyrics along with him about Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Liberals, and others for several minutes. Eventually, the rally organizers fought their way past Cohen's security team and unplugged the sound system before Cohen, the band, and security team all fled in several vehicles parked behind the stage.

    The event was hosted by the Washington Three Percenters, a far-right militia group that has previously organized gun rights rallies. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, “The reference to 3 percent stems from the dubious historical claim that only 3 percent of American colonists fought against the British during the War of Independence.”

    I didn't post the Youtube video here since some of the song lyrics are offensive. If you want to look for it on a Youtube, there are several versions. The shorter versions are around 2 minutes and just show the end where the organizers start yelling and the rest of the crowd starts booing. The organizers later tried to say that the crowd wasn't singing along. But, there is an 8 minute version that clearly shows the crowd laughing, cheering, and singing along with the racist lyrics. Not sure if Youtube will leave the videos up. It is believed that Cohen filmed the "prank" for an upcoming episode of his "Who is America" show which airs on Showtime.
    Part of me loves the idea of what Cohen does, and I admire the courage it takes in many cases (the dude might get shot one of these days). But a bigger part of me just can't handle watching him at work. It is way to cringey for me. Sometimes I feel bad for those that are the butt of his jokes, even if their ideas are deserving of ridicule. In this case, that would not be a problem, but I'd probably just get depressed.

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    He also returned under another disguise as a reporter to interview the organizer about what happened. Dude is a legend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Masher View Post
    Part of me loves the idea of what Cohen does, and I admire the courage it takes in many cases (the dude might get shot one of these days). But a bigger part of me just can't handle watching him at work. It is way to cringey for me. Sometimes I feel bad for those that are the butt of his jokes, even if their ideas are deserving of ridicule. In this case, that would not be a problem, but I'd probably just get depressed.
    did you ever see him talk about why he does what he does? I saw an interview with him a long time ago ... it was pretty revealing (when I have time I might try to find it)

    edit: not what I was looking for but this captures the essence of it ...

    "Borat essentially works as a tool. By himself being anti-Semitic, he lets people lower their guard and expose their own prejudices, whether it's anti-Semitism or an acceptance of anti-Semitism. 'Throw the Jew Down the Well' was a very controversial sketch, and some members of the Jewish community thought it was actually going to encourage anti-Semitism.

    "But to me it revealed something about that bar in Tuscon. And the question is: did it reveal that they were anti-Semitic? Perhaps. But maybe it just revealed that they were indifferent to anti-Semitism," he said.

    Baron Cohen said the concept of "indifference towards anti-Semitism" had been informed by his study of the Holocaust while at Cambridge University, where he read history. "I remember, when I was in university, and there was this one major historian of the Third Reich, Ian Kershaw. And his quote was, 'The path to Auschwitz was paved with indifference.'

    "I know it's not very funny being a comedian talking about the Holocaust, but I think it's an interesting idea that not everyone in Germany had to be a raving anti-Semite. They just had to be apathetic," he said.
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    It certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.
    Some people think he's playing chess when actually his aides are trying to stop him from eating the pieces.

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    *Tucson

    I wanted to check that place out but never got around to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sour Masher View Post
    Part of me loves the idea of what Cohen does, and I admire the courage it takes in many cases (the dude might get shot one of these days). But a bigger part of me just can't handle watching him at work. It is way to cringey for me. Sometimes I feel bad for those that are the butt of his jokes, even if their ideas are deserving of ridicule. In this case, that would not be a problem, but I'd probably just get depressed.
    agreed.... being married to him is the single not sexy thing about Isla Fisher
    I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TranaGreg View Post
    did you ever see him talk about why he does what he does? I saw an interview with him a long time ago ... it was pretty revealing (when I have time I might try to find it)

    edit: not what I was looking for but this captures the essence of it ...



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    I get that is he is smart and his characters are meant to represent biting and probing satire. But that stuff just makes me uncomfortable, which is I guess the point. To a lesser extent, I felt the same way about the old Daily Show bits where correspondents would go out and interview unsuspecting people. It always had a point, but it just feels weird being "in" on the joke, sitting at home laughing at the stupidity or close-mindedness of others. I suppose that sort of ridicule can shame some folks into change, but it also seems self-serving and elitist, like the audience is patting itself on its back for being smarter and better than thee butts of the jokes. Again, in theory, I get it and see its meaning. In practice, I just feel uncomfortable watching stuff like that. I do enjoy comedians making fun of the same sort of stuff, but it feel different when the butt of the mocking is faceless, and it seems more about the ideas being mocked than the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyelander View Post
    agreed.... being married to him is the single not sexy thing about Isla Fisher
    I did not know they were an item. I guess Sasha has mad game.

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