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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenwolf View Post
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    No more losers!
    That might look good on a red baseball cap! It made me laugh because it sounds so Trumpian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernie Brewer View Post
    This is probably clear from any of my posts, but I’m not a political scientist. I haven’t studied voter migration, but isn’t it true that many younger voters start out as idealists and therefore identify as liberal, but as they age they become more prone to vote pocketbook issues and tend to become more conservative?
    I'm not sure if that's true or not (I started out Republican but grew much more socially liberal). But if it is, that's going to be a problem in the Trump era.

    The "tax cut" didn't help out the typical GOPer -- in fact, GOP candidates rarely even mentioned it on the campaign trail. The deficit? What's a deficit? The party that was once the pillar of fiscal responsibility tossed that out the window like drunken sailors. Now you have many prominent Republicans mentioning cuts to Social Security & Medicare. In addition to white female voters, the GOP also hemorrhaged suburban voters, including many that leaned Trump in 2016. Dems took control of some suburban districts that no one ever thought could turn.

    The reality is that many "conservative" Republicans are only fiscally conservative and are becoming more socially liberal, so the vicious attacks by our beloved president on women, minorities, LGBTQs, and immigrants makes them squirm. The "Never Trumpers" are becoming more "Never Trump" than ever before.

    We know Dumb Donald is not going to change, so I'm not sure how the GOP can recover these demographics in '20. It's all up to the Dems now -- run a quality candidate and end this nightmare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revo View Post
    I'm not sure if that's true or not (I started out Republican but grew much more socially liberal). But if it is, that's going to be a problem in the Trump era.

    The "tax cut" didn't help out the typical GOPer -- in fact, GOP candidates rarely even mentioned it on the campaign trail. The deficit? What's a deficit? The party that was once the pillar of fiscal responsibility tossed that out the window like drunken sailors. Now you have many prominent Republicans mentioning cuts to Social Security & Medicare. In addition to white female voters, the GOP also hemorrhaged suburban voters, including many that leaned Trump in 2016.

    The reality is that many "conservative" Republicans are only fiscally conservative and are becoming more socially liberal, so the vicious attacks by our beloved president on women, minorities, LGBTQs, and immigrants makes them squirm. The "Never Trumpers" are becoming more "Never Trump" than ever before.

    We know Dumb Donald is not going to change, so I'm not sure how the GOP can recover in '20.
    That’s me that you describe in the bolder paragraph. Donald deciding, or more likely being forced, not to run somehow would be the savior of many disenfranchised never trumpers.
    I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph and there is purpose and worth to each and every life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernie Brewer View Post
    That might look good on a red baseball cap! It made me laugh because it sounds so Trumpian.
    I have no clue why you keep saying I sound like Trump. It's a pretty insulting comment.

    I think I'm dishing some pretty knowledgable points here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenwolf View Post
    I have no clue why you keep saying I sound like Trump. It's a pretty insulting comment.

    I think I'm dishing some pretty knowledgable points here.
    Lighten up, Frances. It wasn’t an attack. It was something that in my head sounded like something Trump would say. That’s all. I don’t think I have accused you of sounding like Trump. You write much better than he does.

    Edited to add: but writing better than trump is a low bar. My five year old grandson probably writes better and he can’t write! But he did figure out his moms phone password so he did write jenberisj (jibberish) in a tweeter post! So many he only writes as well as trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenwolf View Post
    I have no clue why you keep saying I sound like Trump. It's a pretty insulting comment.

    I think I'm dishing some pretty knowledgable points here.
    Now that you mention it, you do express yourself like Trump. Bigly.

    Of course, Patrick Mahomes II sounds like Kermit the Frog. Just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revo View Post

    The reality is that many "conservative" Republicans are only fiscally conservative and are becoming more socially liberal, so the vicious attacks by our beloved president on women, minorities, LGBTQs, and immigrants makes them squirm.
    It is also why the "Deplorables" quote from HRC worked against her. It is possible to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal - and try to find a balance between the two. Many of those "Depolorables" were offended by being mischaracterized in a way that cost HRC more votes than we can likely ever actually calculate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baldgriff View Post
    It is also why the "Deplorables" quote from HRC worked against her. It is possible to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal - and try to find a balance between the two. Many of those "Depolorables" were offended by being mischaracterized in a way that cost HRC more votes than we can likely ever actually calculate.
    More than anything else, that quote proved HRC was an elitist, as is the old guard of the Democratic party. Fortunately, the new blood is more tolerant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onejayhawk View Post
    More than anything else, that quote proved HRC was an elitist, as is the old guard of the Democratic party. Fortunately, the new blood is more tolerant.

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    Saying Democrats are “elitist” is just more gaslighting by the Republicans, so it goes without saying that you’ve bought into it. It’s beyond silly. The GOP has ALWAYS been the party of the wealthy and uber-wealthy; the conservative, upper crust whites; the tony private schools, country clubs and elite suburbs.

    And if you haven’t realized, your president is a tony billionaire elitist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revo View Post
    Saying Democrats are “elitist” is just more gaslighting by the Republicans, so it goes without saying that you’ve bought into it. It’s beyond silly. The GOP has ALWAYS been the party of the wealthy and uber-wealthy; the conservative, upper crust whites; the tony private schools, country clubs and elite suburbs.

    And if you haven’t realized, your president is a tony billionaire elitist.
    Some of that is changing.......I believe 538 reported that the 20 wealthiest counties are represented by Democrats. Democrats also won the vote total among people making over $200k a year. Republicans won amongst those making between 50-100k (I believe that was the $ amount)

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