Robert Mueller investigation

[gcstomp]

Feral, that would be pure speculation. The russian involvement in trump transition team is not guessing, it would require a willful blindness of the indictments to not see the initial russian involvement.

But I would guess Putin has had zero influence in any post transition job filings, and I would think he has been frustrated/exasperated in all kinds of ways in the near 2 years of trump presidency. Tillerson was fired and we can guess its because trump didnt get along or like him, or we can guess other reasons. Feral, lets get your pov. You get russian involvement in trump transition, or you just dont recognize mueller indictments?

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Also, Feral, you cant just say "install" without recognizing rest of what was said. which part do you disagree with here: trump had an initial team of people, that helped him fill spots. some names listed above. we know trump didnt know tillerson beforehand but selected him for one of most important slots, we know team has all kinds of russian involvement (see indictments), and we know tillerson was well regarded by putin with huge profit incentives. all that is not wild guessing, right?

tillerson has nothing to do with mueller investigation as far as I know, so it is just a selection that I hope others scratch their heads and wonder what that was about.

[The Feral Slasher]

Also, Feral, you cant just say "install" without recognizing rest of what was said. which part do you disagree with here: trump had an initial team of people, that helped him fill spots. some names listed above. we know trump didnt know tillerson beforehand but selected him for one of most important slots, we know team has all kinds of russian involvement (see indictments), and we know tillerson was well regarded by putin with huge profit incentives. all that is not wild guessing, right?

tillerson has nothing to do with mueller investigation as far as I know, so it is just a selection that I hope others scratch their heads and wonder what that was about.

Well it seems to me you are still speculating. I'm content to wait for the results of the investigation. Also, I don't spend much time on this but I don't think Putin is the only person who could have recommended Tillerson to Donald Trump.

[gcstomp]

I'm content to wait for the results of the investigation. Thats not true, it seems, as you keep posting follow up questions, just to troll me. I took effort to detail how we know from indictments that trump transition had undeniable russian involvement. only positions are: you recognize, or dont, the mueller indictments. hey you got me though, wont get drawn in by you again.

[The Feral Slasher]

I'm content to wait for the results of the investigation. Thats not true, it seems, as you keep posting follow up questions, just to troll me. I took effort to detail how we know from indictments that trump transition had undeniable russian involvement. only positions are: you recognize, or dont, the mueller indictments. hey you got me though, wont get drawn in by you again.

It wasn't completely trolling. I'm really trying to find out what evidence you have for your "claims" that Putin was responsible for Tillerson being appointed. and all I am seeing is generic "russian involvement". So now that I know their was Russian involvment in the Trump transition team do I just assume that all decisions that Trump made in his early presidency were really made by Putin ? Was Trump in fact a puppet ?

[chancellor]

So do you suspect Putin ordered Trump to appoint Tillerson ?

Of course not. Trump is the guy who speaks at a fourth grade level, yet is the mastermind of one of the largest money laundering events in history. He's controlled by Russians, yet has implemented harsh sanctions against them. He knows that Putin needs oil at almost triple existing prices, yet supports the fracking revolution started under the Obama administration that has led to controlled oil prices despite the collapse of the oil production of the glorious socialist republic of Venezuela and increased Iran sanctions.

Apparently, we need to start addressing him by the proper title of Darth Trumpius.

[Teenwolf]

Not only is Trump a puppet, but he's got a half dozen arms elbow-deep up his ass. From the corruption we know about: Netanyahu bragged publicly about his influencing the US embassy move... Ivanka was given the rights to a pile of valuable Chinese trademarks, and immediately afterward, Trump goes out of his way to make a deal to save ZTE electronics...

Now look at the Saudi Arabia corruption:

In 2016, the New York Daily News reported that the Saudi government also purchased the entire 45th floor of the Trump World Tower, for $4.5 million, in June 2001. Given annual fee fares for the building at the time, Trump also was paid $5.7 million by the Saudis between the purchase and 2016, the paper reported.

Trump bragged about his business dealings with the Saudis during a 2015 campaign rally in Mobile, Alabama.

"I get along great with all of them; they buy apartments from me," Trump said. "They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much!"

It's all pretty blatant. There's other corrupt players, but I can't recall them. I would bet Mueller has a good idea. I wonder whether these other "puppetmasters" will be brought up in the Mueller report, if one surfaces.

[The Feral Slasher]

Not only is Trump a puppet, but he's got a half dozen arms elbow-deep up his ass. From the corruption we know about: Netanyahu bragged publicly about his influencing the US embassy move... Ivanka was given the rights to a pile of valuable Chinese trademarks, and immediately afterward, Trump goes out of his way to make a deal to save ZTE electronics...

Now look at the Saudi Arabia corruption:



It's all pretty blatant. There's other corrupt players, but I can't recall them. I would bet Mueller has a good idea. I wonder whether these other "puppetmasters" will be brought up in the Mueller report, if one surfaces.

There is a huge difference between being hopelessly corrupt and being a Russian puppet.

[Teenwolf]

There is a huge difference between being hopelessly corrupt and being a Russian puppet.

My hope is that we see all of the puppetmasters, all of the strings, everything. Russia, Israel, Saudi... who cares? I believe it's all of the above, and more.

There's a ton of public evidence already, is my point. I'm hopeful it elevates corruption as a political issue in 2020 (selfishly, to favor progressives).

[revo]

At the very least, it's hard to comprehend that GOPers aren't even remotely concerned that their president is 100% consumed by this investigation. He can't go a single day without raging over it. By many accounts of former staffers, he sometimes spends entire days brooding and raging and can't concentrate, not even at a typical minute Trump level.

He's making the US look like a worldwide laughingstock while some here compare him to Theodore Roosevelt, smh.

[The Feral Slasher]

My hope is that we see all of the puppetmasters, all of the strings, everything. Russia, Israel, Saudi... who cares? I believe it's all of the above, and more.

There's a ton of public evidence already, is my point. I'm hopeful it elevates corruption as a political issue in 2020 (selfishly, to favor progressives).

So why not focus on the public evidence of corruption instead of making stuff up/suggesting thing that may or may not be true ?

[Teenwolf]

So why not focus on the public evidence of corruption instead of making stuff up/suggesting thing that may or may not be true ?

Do you think that I'm literally making up my claims? I included quotes and a link on Saudi Arabia, but the ZTE/China scandal and others are also well documented.

I dont speculate, I just repeat what I've read or heard reported. Any of them return dozens of search results.

Plus, there's a ton of US-specific corruption to address, and that's my point by saying "I hope this elevates corruption as a political issue for 2020," so that it can be tackled in the US.

Again, I want this focus so it aligns with the progressive agenda, but that's just me.

[The Feral Slasher]

Do you think that I'm literally making up my claims? I included quotes and a link on Saudi Arabia, but the ZTE/China scandal and others are also well documented.

I dont speculate, I just repeat what I've read or heard reported. Any of them return dozens of search results.

Plus, there's a ton of US-specific corruption to address, and that's my point by saying "I hope this elevates corruption as a political issue for 2020," so that it can be tackled in the US.

Again, I want this focus so it aligns with the progressive agenda, but that's just me.

I was referring to the evidence that Putin had Tillerson appointed by Trump. That's what was being discussed before you jumped in.

[gcstomp]

I would like eyes open on how tillerson made sense. for instance, you asked "So do you suspect Putin ordered Trump to appoint Tillerson ?" to which I answered, "No Putin didnt order Trump to do anything, nor did they have direct contact." The Tillerson postings, point was "... it is just a selection that I hope others scratch their heads and wonder what that was about".

Point was to ask how it made sense that trump appointed tillerson who he never heard of to one of highest positions in land. Putin had in 2013 awarded highest civilian honor, to Tillerson. Putin/Tillerson had discussions of a joint venture with Exxon on a beyond massive oil and gas ocean mining. Trump transition team was undeniably full of people with unusual amount of contact with russians, and Tillerson had zero govt experience or anything relating to sec of state position, he shouldnt have been in even a top 1000 list for position, but he was maybe the closest american to putin. what part of this is arguable?

You asked "So did Putin also have Tillerson fired ? Did he "install" his replacement as well ?" to which "Feral, that would be pure speculation. The russian involvement in trump transition team is not guessing, it would require a willful blindness of the indictments to not see the initial russian involvement. " I pointed Exxon profits quintupled past year due to the tax cut, which is saying something on one of top 4 largest companies my market cap in the U.S., Tillerson isnt a part of mueller investigation as far as i know, but i would hope one would question this. A compliant to corruption eye would take position of prove this to me, rather than do these steps make sense.

Regarding Putin "I would think he has been frustrated/exasperated in all kinds of ways in the near 2 years of trump presidency." as I said, but the transition team had a number of troubling inexplicably pro Putin moves.

[The Feral Slasher]

I would like eyes open on how tillerson made sense. for instance, you asked "So do you suspect Putin ordered Trump to appoint Tillerson ?" to which I answered, "No Putin didnt order Trump to do anything, nor did they have direct contact." The Tillerson postings, point was "... it is just a selection that I hope others scratch their heads and wonder what that was about".

Point was to ask how it made sense that trump appointed tillerson who he never heard of to one of highest positions in land. Putin had in 2013 awarded highest civilian honor, to Tillerson. Putin/Tillerson had discussions of a joint venture with Exxon on a beyond massive oil and gas ocean mining. Trump transition team was undeniably full of people with unusual amount of contact with russians, and Tillerson had zero govt experience or anything relating to sec of state position, he shouldnt have been in even a top 1000 list for position, but he was maybe the closest american to putin. what part of this is arguable?

You asked "So did Putin also have Tillerson fired ? Did he "install" his replacement as well ?" to which "Feral, that would be pure speculation. The russian involvement in trump transition team is not guessing, it would require a willful blindness of the indictments to not see the initial russian involvement. " I pointed Exxon profits quintupled past year due to the tax cut, which is saying something on one of top 4 largest companies my market cap in the U.S., Tillerson isnt a part of mueller investigation as far as i know, but i would hope one would question this. A compliant to corruption eye would take position of prove this to me, rather than do these steps make sense.

Regarding Putin "I would think he has been frustrated/exasperated in all kinds of ways in the near 2 years of trump presidency." as I said, but the transition team had a number of troubling inexplicably pro Putin moves.

So how many of his appointments do you think Trump had ever heard of ? And what do Exxon profits and the tax cuts have to do with this ? Anyway, I think we both agree there isn't any news yet, just speculation. Maybe you will be right, who knows ?