Giving Credit to Fox News

[Sour Masher]

I figured that shock title would get some eyeballs. I'm highly critical of Fox News as a whole, and I think I have very good reasons for my feelings about the network. But I've long silently admired one programming decision they've made that recently got highlighted in this The Guardian article. That is the decision to not silence/fire Shepard Smith despite him not being in lock step with the rest of their propaganda machine. He is a vital voice of calm and correction on a network that tends to stoke fears and anxieties. His recent push back on the caravan as some doomsday march was an especially good example of this. I tend not to watch any of the 24 hour news networks, but any time I flip by Shephard, he seems out of place on Fox, and the fact that he is, yet still keeps him job at that network, is praise worthy. So kudos to Fox News for keeping Smith despite his critiques of Trump and even their other hosts.

Please give this short (2 minute video) a watch to see the contrast between Smith and his network cohorts. The honesty, and courage, it takes for him to say these things really is inspiring, and I feel I have to give Fox credit for not silencing him. The man is truly a voice in the wilderness. He renews my faith in journalism. My only wish would be for more Fox viewers to tune him in as a corrective and balance to the other shows they watch on the network. Instead he gets hate and ridicule from Fox fans for not toeing the party/network line:

[revo]

I believe the right-wingers use of the term "invaders" is on purpose. If Fox News characterizes them as invaders, and that makes it's way into the ear of its favorite viewer (if it hasn't already), then use of the military would be allowed. Otherwise, by law, the military cannot be used to implement domestic law.

[Sour Masher]

I believe the right-wingers use of the term "invaders" is on purpose. If Fox News characterizes them as invaders, and that makes it's way into the ear of its favorite viewer (if it hasn't already), then use of the military would be allowed. Otherwise, by law, the military cannot be used to implement domestic law.

Yeah, I have no doubt that term, used incessantly by the non-Smith hosts and Trumps surrogate guests is for the purpose you point out.

[onejayhawk]

I believe the right-wingers use of the term "invaders" is on purpose. If Fox News characterizes them as invaders, and that makes it's way into the ear of its favorite viewer (if it hasn't already), then use of the military would be allowed. Otherwise, by law, the military cannot be used to implement domestic law.

It's not hard to figure out. The real question is whether they are correct.

J

[Fresno Bob]

I think the caravan is entrepeneural and should be welcomed, no one lazy travels 2000km for a better opportunity

[Sour Masher]

I think the caravan is entrepeneural and should be welcomed, no one lazy travels 2000km for a better opportunity

Very true. That is the life blood of this country. Immigrants with the passion and will to do what it takes to make a better life for themselves and their families.

[The Feral Slasher]

Very true. That is the life blood of this country. Immigrants with the passion and will to do what it takes to make a better life for themselves and their families.

That would be a great topic for a new thread. What role do immigrants play in our country ? Are they a positive or negative ?

[Kevin Seitzer]

That would be a great topic for a new thread. What role do immigrants play in our country ? Are they a positive or negative ?

Isn't it obvious they are huge positive? They are the lifeblood of new ideas, change, and growth. People who are hungry for a better life and restless or unwelcome in their old country have served as the engine for American progress for centuries.

On top of that, demographically they are a source of young workers and children. A lot of advanced economies with less immigration are facing huge issues from a graying population.

[onejayhawk]

Isn't it obvious they are huge positive? They are the lifeblood of new ideas, change, and growth. People who are hungry for a better life and restless or unwelcome in their old country have served as the engine for American progress for centuries.

On top of that, demographically they are a source of young workers and children. A lot of advanced economies with less immigration are facing huge issues from a graying population.

It's also beside the point. The real question is legal not sociological.

J

[B-Fly]

It's also beside the point. The real question is legal not sociological.

J

There are several different questions, some legal and specific, some legal and broad, some moral and specific, some moral and broad, some practical/sociological/economic specific or broad, etc. Anyone trying to claim there is a clear and simple and obviously correct response to this caravan, whether legal, moral or otherwise, is flat out wrong.

[TranaGreg]

I think the caravan is entrepeneural and should be welcomed, no one lazy travels 2000km for a better opportunity

I was going to suggest that you should just escort them on up to the Canadian border where they're welcome!!!

[TranaGreg]

That would be a great topic for a new thread. What role do immigrants play in our country ? Are they a positive or negative ?

It's also beside the point. The real question is legal not sociological.

J

Hey, let's start one thread for each & see how it goes.

[nots]

I was going to suggest that you should just escort them on up to the Canadian border where they're welcome!!!

I am asking because I don’t know for sure: doesn’t Canada have much stricter immigration laws than the US? I know Australia and NEw Zealand do, I always thought Canada did too.

[TranaGreg]

I am asking because I don’t know for sure: doesn’t Canada have much stricter immigration laws than the US? I know Australia and NEw Zealand do, I always thought Canada did too.

I will try to give a more detailed answer later when I have time, but as of July this year we had brought in ~50,000 Syrian refugees; I think that's a much bigger number than what the US has allowed in over the past few years

[Fresno Bob]

I was going to suggest that you should just escort them on up to the Canadian border where they're welcome!!!

that's my response to the Brexit bunch as well, "Oh no, 100k Polish plumbers, send them all right to the Bay Area!"

I'm off the charts on Immigration, I'd like to see the US at about 400M people by 2025, basically if your state doesn't have at least 5M people in it, you should only get 1 senator