Anti-vaxxers

[In the Corn]

Public health vastly outweighs personal religious/anti-science beliefs IMO.

And I would agree with you. My point about the slippery slope being what does substantially mean? To keep in it in the health realm, do we force everyone to get the flu shot?

[DMT]

And I would agree with you. My point about the slippery slope being what does substantially mean? To keep in it in the health realm, do we force everyone to get the flu shot?

The flu shot is very ineffective relative to other vaccines and must be done annually so it would be very difficult to argue everyone should be required to get it.

[nullnor]

just out of curiosity, when there are diseases there will always be people that develop natural immunity no matter what. there are even people that even if they have HIV will never develop AIDS. so wouldn't it be better for the long term welfare of society to not get immunized and let all the other people die?

[onejayhawk]

And everyone here agrees that borders should not be open. Yet, here we are.

No they don't. Far from it.




J

[DMT]

No they don't. Far from it.




J

Was that posted by another RJ member?

[Fresno Bob]

And everyone here agrees that borders should not be open. Yet, here we are.

I think that borders should be open, and if you come here and spend 10 years paying taxes and don't commit a crime, you should become a naturalized citizen. I also believe that we should get the US over 400M people and that if your state has less than 3M people in it, you should only get 1 senator.

[Sour Masher]

I think that borders should be open, and if you come here and spend 10 years paying taxes and don't commit a crime, you should become a naturalized citizen. I also believe that we should get the US over 400M people and that if your state has less than 3M people in it, you should only get 1 senator.

1. Completely open borders would be a disaster for this or any affluent country (and many poor ones too). 2. I agree that there should be an easier path to citizenship for those we do allow to come and live in the country, and they show themselves to be good, productive members of society. 3. If you made borders completely open to all, you'd get your 400 million population within 5 years, I'd guesstimate, and it would keep going up from there (would your plan be to close them at that point, or just keeping going?). 4. I agree--I think the population differences have become far more lopsided than anticipated, and it is really unfair, if we consider ourselves one country, for a person in Wyoming or Montana or Alaska to have their votes and voices matter as much as scores of people in California or Florida, or New York or Texas.

[onejayhawk]

Was that posted by another RJ member?

Do you live in the Bay area? It's a long drive from Fresno.

J

[Fresno Bob]

Do you live in the Bay area? It's a long drive from Fresno.

J

I'm assuming this is some crack towards me. I see a significant difference between "open borders" and "no borders". I want more people in the US, coming here is not the mark of someone lazy, especially if they are coming here for economic opportunity for themselves and their children. The US is powerful because of immigration, not despite it. We have a huge domestic marketplace.

[onejayhawk]

I'm assuming this is some crack towards me. I see a significant difference between "open borders" and "no borders". I want more people in the US, coming here is not the mark of someone lazy, especially if they are coming here for economic opportunity for themselves and their children. The US is powerful because of immigration, not despite it. We have a huge domestic marketplace.

No. It was not directed at you.

For the record, I believe in open borders so long as we know who comes and goes. That, unfortunately, is not compatible with the position of the Democratic party.

J

[DMT]

The MMR vaccination rate in London has dropped from 98 to 89% in the past two years.

[Sour Masher]

The MMR vaccination rate in London has dropped from 98 to 89% in the past two years.

Maybe this is the solution to the fermi paradox we are talking about in another thread. Maybe once a species gets to a certain level of intelligence, we hit a wall and start to devolve. We start to question long established truths like the shape of the planet, and well established best medical practices like vaccination. Maybe there is a ceiling on the intelligence of a specie and we've peaked. All down hill from here.

[DMT]

Maybe this is the solution to the fermi paradox we are talking about in another thread. Maybe once a species gets to a certain level of intelligence, we hit a wall and start to devolve. We start to question long established truths like the shape of the planet, and well established best medical practices like vaccination. Maybe there is a ceiling on the intelligence of a specie and we've peaked. All down hill from here.

Not sure if I first read about the theory here on RJ but yes the likelihood of us encountering intelligent life is virtually nil because there is such a short window between intelligent life forming and annihilating itself.

[DMT]

http://www.niemanlab.org/2019/01/anti-vaxxers-are-among-the-whos-top-10-global-health-threats-and-ebola-fake-news-is-killing-people/

[TranaGreg]

didn't see this coming ...

An anti-vaccination ‘hotspot’ near Portland declares an emergency over measles outbreak

A quickly escalating measles outbreak around Portland, Ore., has led health officials in nearby Clark County, Wash., to declare a public health emergency as they warn that people infected with the highly contagious virus since the beginning of the year have visited schools and churches, a dentist’s office, an Amazon locker pickup station, a Costco, and an Ikea.
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The latest update came Tuesday, when county officials said they had confirmed 23 cases and were investigating two more suspected cases. The vast majority of those who have fallen ill had not been immunized.
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Of the confirmed cases, 18 patients are between the ages of 1 to 10 years old.