What is your single biggest worry/fear of Trump?

[Bernie Brewer]

I knew this was coming. I won't get into it, but HRC talking with her little voice well after the election poses no danger to our democracy. Trump will not take such a meek tact. If the GOP and his supporters support him, he will attempt to keep power and it could lead to civil discord and the sort of violence you fear.

ETA: Bernie, sometimes I think you are two posters. On the one hand, you are quick to denounce Trump and express your desire for the GOP to move away from him. On the other, you seem to not be able to help normalizing him by pointing out how his behavior and words are not so far off the opposition. I continue to maintain that comparing Trump to anyone, Dem or Repub, is a false equivalency and a dangerous one, because it normalizes him. It suggests he is just another politician, more crass, more boorish, sure, but just a slightly worse version of what we always get. I think he is so many steps beyond the normal, we need to avoid any comparisons that normalize him or his behavior. Save that for everyone else. Fight back the urge when it comes to Trump--it is a dangerous thing to do, because it makes him seem not so very different/bad from a normal/acceptble leader.

Look, I am not a Trump fan and I think I’ve been very clear about that. But, to your point, I just don’t agree with most of the hyperbolic nonesense that gets posted on this Board by the lefties (eta: nor do I support everything a rightie posts without exception or question.) Now, there are posters on the left who are reasonable, and express their thoughts without the battering ram, most of the times you’re one. Others are just just flame throwing and over the top. Is Trump the right guy for the job, nope, and I didn’t and won’t vote for him. But, he isn’t as bad as many of the left make him out to be. Is that a false equivalence? Maybe. Clearly your mileage varies. What about be the change you want to see in this world? The left isn’t winning me over and, unfortunately, I’m looking for a somewhere to land, at least as long as Trump is identified as the leader of the GOP. Many of the posters who rail on Trump, or the larger GOP, couldn’t spot of positive impact from this administration if it stuck in their eye. So, yes, I will denounce Trumps boorish behavior, and yes, he is unlike any other President in my life time, but to assign blame constantly and immediately as many do without facts and more information is just plain silly.

Edited to add: and, serves no useful purpose but to further divide us.

[B-Fly]

My fear is that the discourse will lead to more physical violence between far right and far left factions. A civil war of sorts between the two major tribes.

Or worse, in my opinion, that it will lead to far more domestic terrorism that victimizes not extremists on "the other side", but rather any of us or our loved ones in their places of worship, schools, workplaces, public places, etc.

[Fresno Bob]

my fear is that he gets to nominate 2 more supreme court justices, giving him a legacy that lasts far beyond his electoral defeat

[nots]

Look, I am not a Trump fan and I think I’ve been very clear about that. But, to your point, I just don’t agree with most of the hyperbolic nonesense that gets posted on this Board by the lefties (eta: nor do I support everything a rightie posts without exception or question.) Now, there are posters on the left who are reasonable, and express their thoughts without the battering ram, most of the times you’re one. Others are just just flame throwing and over the top. Is Trump the right guy for the job, nope, and I didn’t and won’t vote for him. But, he isn’t as bad as many of the left make him out to be. Is that a false equivalence? Maybe. Clearly your mileage varies. What about be the change you want to see in this world? The left isn’t winning me over and, unfortunately, I’m looking for a somewhere to land, at least as long as Trump is identified as the leader of the GOP. Many of the posters who rail on Trump, or the larger GOP, couldn’t spot of positive impact from this administration if it stuck in their eye. So, yes, I will denounce Trumps boorish behavior, and yes, he is unlike any other President in my life time, but to assign blame constantly and immediately as many do without facts and more information is just plain silly.

Edited to add: and, serves no useful purpose but to further divide us.

Great post...sums up exactly where I am with Trump and with a lot of the folks on the left

[Sour Masher]

Look, I am not a Trump fan and I think I’ve been very clear about that. But, to your point, I just don’t agree with most of the hyperbolic nonesense that gets posted on this Board by the lefties (eta: nor do I support everything a rightie posts without exception or question.) Now, there are posters on the left who are reasonable, and express their thoughts without the battering ram, most of the times you’re one. Others are just just flame throwing and over the top. Is Trump the right guy for the job, nope, and I didn’t and won’t vote for him. But, he isn’t as bad as many of the left make him out to be. Is that a false equivalence? Maybe. Clearly your mileage varies. What about be the change you want to see in this world? The left isn’t winning me over and, unfortunately, I’m looking for a somewhere to land, at least as long as Trump is identified as the leader of the GOP. Many of the posters who rail on Trump, or the larger GOP, couldn’t spot of positive impact from this administration if it stuck in their eye. So, yes, I will denounce Trumps boorish behavior, and yes, he is unlike any other President in my life time, but to assign blame constantly and immediately as many do without facts and more information is just plain silly.

Edited to add: and, serves no useful purpose but to further divide us.

I asked this recently in another thread and nots was gracious enough to respond...CBB did, but not with anyone specific. I think this has come up before and you mentioned a couple of names then. But I'll ask again here as I'd be grateful for your response and others in the middle-right, especially since perceptions change over time. Who would you support to oppose Trump in the GOP in 2020 (would you or others support a primary challenge?), and what, if any, moderate Dems would you vote for over Trump? I sincerely want to know what candidates out there would draw abstaining GOP voters who won't vote for Trump and "hold your nose" Trump voters. You know my position on this. I want him out. I know who on the democratic socialist end of the spectrum would excite folks and give Trump a challenge. I want to learn more about which moderate candidates appeal to middle voters, and which do not, for whatever reason.

[cardboardbox]

my fear is that he gets to nominate 2 more supreme court justices, giving him a legacy that lasts far beyond his electoral defeat

nothing could make me happier!

[cardboardbox]

I asked this recently in another thread and nots was gracious enough to respond...CBB did, but not with anyone specific. I think this has come up before and you mentioned a couple of names then. But I'll ask again here as I'd be grateful for your response and others in the middle-right, especially since perceptions change over time. Who would you support to oppose Trump in the GOP in 2020 (would you or others support a primary challenge?), and what, if any, moderate Dems would you vote for over Trump? I sincerely want to know what candidates out there would draw abstaining GOP voters who won't vote for Trump and "hold your nose" Trump voters. You know my position on this. I want him out. I know who on the democratic socialist end of the spectrum would excite folks and give Trump a challenge. I want to learn more about which moderate candidates appeal to middle voters, and which do not, for whatever reason.

I didnt list any specific candidates because I dont know of any. I wish I did... Are there any dems who believe we should have border enforcement?

[Sour Masher]

I didnt list any specific candidates because I dont know of any. I wish I did... Are there any dems who believe we should have border enforcement?

All of them. Ok, most of them.

[cardboardbox]

All of them. Ok, most of them.

lol, ok.

[Sour Masher]

lol, ok.

You are buying into the right-wing media hyperbole if you really think all Democrats--or any Democrats--want to erase our borders and allow anyone and everyone to waltz right into the country without oversight or restriction. That is the fear mongering, but not the reality. Most Democrats understand the necessity of borders and being careful about who and how many immigrants come into the country. We just don't want to restrict those decisions based on skin color or religion. What evidence is there that Democrats want open borders? That they don't care about our security or realize the issues that would arise if we did not protect our borders? Heck, Chance or someone has a Bill Clinton quote that shows he cared about borders. Obama showed in too. Certainly some don't emphasize it as a campaign issue, but I'm not aware of any serious candidates being for an open border policy.

[DMT]

But it's a convenient way to claim he's open to those baby murderers, er Democrats.

[In the Corn]

I asked this recently in another thread and nots was gracious enough to respond...CBB did, but not with anyone specific. I think this has come up before and you mentioned a couple of names then. But I'll ask again here as I'd be grateful for your response and others in the middle-right, especially since perceptions change over time. Who would you support to oppose Trump in the GOP in 2020 (would you or others support a primary challenge?), and what, if any, moderate Dems would you vote for over Trump? I sincerely want to know what candidates out there would draw abstaining GOP voters who won't vote for Trump and "hold your nose" Trump voters. You know my position on this. I want him out. I know who on the democratic socialist end of the spectrum would excite folks and give Trump a challenge. I want to learn more about which moderate candidates appeal to middle voters, and which do not, for whatever reason.

I was holding out hope foe John Kasich on the Republican side. He can never win the base because he is too moderate.

[Sour Masher]

I was holding out hope foe John Kasich on the Republican side. He can never win the base because he is too moderate.

Predictably, since I'm on the left, I like Kasich on the Republican side. But I think you are right. He is not where the party as a whole is right now, as evidenced by Trump.

[nullnor]

my greatest fear is that we'd be having near trillion dollar deficits during a good economy... oh wait

[DMT]

I was holding out hope foe John Kasich on the Republican side. He can never win the base because he is too moderate.

My hope is that he'll run as an Independent just to ensure Trump loses.