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    Quote Originally Posted by revo View Post
    Now hold on a second there pardner!!

    All three were right in the heart of the showman era, although neither did it personally. Billy "White Shoes" Johnson did the funky chicken after every TD, and he started that around 1973-74. The Redskins "Fun Bunch" started the group thing around 1981. And Mark Gastineau started the whole sack dance craze in 1979.
    And Jackie Slater went after Gastineau, starting what remains the biggest fight in NFL history (legend has it that Jets players were cheering for Slater to beat the crap out of Gastineau, too). Oakland DBs gave out bounties for which ones could lay the biggest hits on dancers like Elmo Wright, and White Shoes - and they seriously hurt Wright. Some Steelers players have admitted they looked for opportunities to "get" Hollywood Henderson.

    So, yeah, there were people starting the whole celebration thing - but they were also targeted for retaliation, too. By players of all races.
    I'm just here for the baseball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chancellor View Post
    No, in fact, I find it feeds into the racist tropes that African-American males can't control their emotions, are inherently more violent, and sing and dance at anything. Claiming that trash talking, for example, is somehow limited to or done more frequently by African-Americans is not only wrong, it sure seems like shaded racism to me. Taunting? LOL.
    Weird, I like "trash talking" in my sports, and I like the celebrations. I prefer that version of sports where a players character can be shown rather than hushed because it's not white and tame enough. And I appreciated that there are in fact differences between cultures. Avoiding racism isn't saying we all have the same upbringing and culture, in fact the opposite, it's saying that we are equally valuable despite our differences and appreciating and loving those differences. I'm not sure how you have confused the two.

    LOL right back at you I guess?

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    It's funny though how much this type conversation mimics similar conversations that are going on.

    We are sitting here debating whether something exists, whether the concept of celebration in sports being a negative trait is a "white" rule.

    Meanwhile we have a guy who has lived it, and who eloquently wrote about it. Is there a reason why we want brush it under the rug? Does it make us uncomfortable?

    How about we listen to the guy who actually experienced it and consider that maybe, just maybe, he knows a hell of a lot more about it than any of us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    Weird, I like "trash talking" in my sports, and I like the celebrations. I prefer that version of sports where a players character can be shown rather than hushed because it's not white and tame enough. And I appreciated that there are in fact differences between cultures. Avoiding racism isn't saying we all have the same upbringing and culture, in fact the opposite, it's saying that we are equally valuable despite our differences and appreciating and loving those differences. I'm not sure how you have confused the two.

    LOL right back at you I guess?
    I haven't confused them, you have. My point is it's far more of a generational difference than a racial one. You think white guys in basketball don't trash talk and taunt? That non-black baseball players don't pose and show emotion? Historically, baseball has had plenty of trash talk and taunting - even before the unfortunate stain of black players being prevented from playing was in place.

    The concept of showing people up - and what retaliation was deemed acceptable for that action - has definitely generationally changed. As I noted with accurate historical information, Jackie Slater - who is black - certainly didn't appreciate Mark Gastineau - who is white - showing him up. The Oakland DBs - who were black - ruthlessly headhunted WRs who showed them up. The stuff Deacon Jones did is pretty well documented. Bob Gibson's ruthlessness is well-documented. I could go on with dozens of other accurate historical events that supports this. Point being, being pissed about getting shown up isn't a race construct. The difference is generational - earlier generations found it perfectly acceptable for an athlete to retaliate when shown up, now it's acceptable and "part of the game", and significant penalties exist for retaliation.
    I'm just here for the baseball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chancellor View Post
    I haven't confused them, you have. My point is it's far more of a generational difference than a racial one. You think white guys in basketball don't trash talk and taunt? That non-black baseball players don't pose and show emotion? Historically, baseball has had plenty of trash talk and taunting - even before the unfortunate stain of black players being prevented from playing was in place.

    The concept of showing people up - and what retaliation was deemed acceptable for that action - has definitely generationally changed. As I noted with accurate historical information, Jackie Slater - who is black - certainly didn't appreciate Mark Gastineau - who is white - showing him up. The Oakland DBs - who were black - ruthlessly headhunted WRs who showed them up. The stuff Deacon Jones did is pretty well documented. Bob Gibson's ruthlessness is well-documented. I could go on with dozens of other accurate historical events that supports this. Point being, being pissed about getting shown up isn't a race construct. The difference is generational - earlier generations found it perfectly acceptable for an athlete to retaliate when shown up, now it's acceptable and "part of the game", and significant penalties exist for retaliation.
    Good lord. This is insane.

    Forget I ever brought it up. You aren't getting it.

    Just add "all lives matter" to the end of your post while you are at it and we'll move on.

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    I can tell you with firsthand knowledge that the biggest trash talker in the entire NBA 30 years ago was Larry Bird.

    but don't take my word for it (even though I heard it with my own ears).

    Michael Jordan: “Larry Bird is the greatest trash talker and mind-game player of all time. He taught me everything I know about getting in folks’ heads.”
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    You guys do understand that the biggest trash talkers 30 years ago were white was likely due to the fact that a non white player couldn’t get away with it right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    You guys do understand that the biggest trash talkers 30 years ago were white was likely due to the fact that a non white player couldn’t get away with it right?
    And in Rockies related news: Rockies signed OF/DH Matt Kemp to a minor league contract. There goes all Sam Hilliard's value for 2020 and 2021 as I'm sure they will sign Kemp to a LT contract after this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whalewang View Post
    And in Rockies related news: Rockies signed OF/DH Matt Kemp to a minor league contract. There goes all Sam Hilliard's value for 2020 and 2021 as I'm sure they will sign Kemp to a LT contract after this year.
    Not after they see how little he has left. After he was traded to Cincinnati before last season, the reaction of almost everyone here who saw him play was, "D**n, what HAPPENED to him? He used to be so good!"

    I think this is just a dart throw by the Rockies.
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