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    Quote Originally Posted by nots View Post
    Well, since the most recent attempt at gerrymandering came from Democrats, it would make sense that JJ would bring it up. But, to quote you, feel free to show me where I support gerrymandering by either team. Don’t spend too much time, it will be a futile effort.
    If you're seriously claiming that Republicans have similarly resisted efforts at gerrymandering, I've got a magical bridge to heaven powered by fairy dust and rainbows to sell you...1/2 off retail!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMT View Post
    The irony is calling "whataboutism" when discussing gerrymandering. The relative impact of each side doing it is probably about 90-10 in favor of Republicans but keep on focusing on that 10 to pretend it's 50-50.
    Using "their side is worse" to avoid acknowledging and examining your own party's behavior - Check!
    "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
    "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
    "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."

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    Quote Originally Posted by senorsheep View Post
    Using "their side is worse" to avoid acknowledging and examining your own party's behavior - Check!
    Dude, the behavior being discussed is that it was scrapped!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMT View Post
    All that from this sentence: "Hmmm, maybe one side isn't as crooked as the other?" Damn, I missed my calling!
    Backpedaling when called on what you obviously meant - Check!
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    Apparently it wasn't clear but I was referring to the efforts of those who got the NJ leadership to back down, not on the crooked leaders themselves. It seems fairly obvious to me but just wanted to be clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by senorsheep View Post
    Backpedaling when called on what you obviously meant - Check!
    You got me spinning my wheels!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMT View Post
    Dude, the behavior being discussed is that it was scrapped!
    Oh, sorry. I'll trust that you already let the New Jersey Democrats have it with both barrels when it was first brought up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMT View Post
    If you're seriously claiming that Republicans have similarly resisted efforts at gerrymandering, I've got a magical bridge to heaven powered by fairy dust and rainbows to sell you...1/2 off retail!
    Yeah, I didn’t claim that so keep your fairy dust. We were talking about NJ gerrymandering not Republican gerrymandering in NC, WI or Pa. I am sorry it upsets you that every post can’t be anti -GOP but occasionally your team does some bad stuff too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nots View Post
    Yeah, I didn’t claim that so keep your fairy dust. We were talking about NJ gerrymandering not Republican gerrymandering in NC, WI or Pa. I am sorry it upsets you that every post can’t be anti -GOP but occasionally your team does some bad stuff too.
    Yes, and JJ's comment that I was responding to was the fact that it wasn't actually happening! Sort of a big difference, no? And as is well-documented I've been critical of Democrats on a number of issues. But keep on trying to pigeon-hold me as a Democratic cheerleader. It's my personal fairy dust that keeps me coming back for more!
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    It's actually a pretty common debate in Democratic/Liberal/Progressive bubbles whether "our side" should be taking an ends-justify-the-means approach (which Democrats largely perceive the Republicans as having done far more ruthlessly and consistently), or whether we should "go high", to reference the Michelle Obama speech, and operate with respect for our institutions, political norms and general rules of fair play, even if that means that the GOP will "win" more than they should given the number of voters who support their platform/policies versus the number who support the Democrats' platform/policies. I've always leaned pretty strongly toward "go high", but it can be frustrating and it sometimes feels like "going high" is a loser's play.

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