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    Quote Originally Posted by revo View Post
    They've all gone rogue, in your opinion?
    which is more likely:

    - Trump, who you usually (and accurately) would accuse of being lazy unprepared, etc, suddenly starts micromanaging every aspect of his visit beforehand - right down to which war ships (or boats, as he called them) - would be in the area?

    - Trump's planners in the White House, realizing the possibility of Trump going bananas, try to do some preemptive damage control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Jude View Post
    which is more likely:

    - Trump, who you usually (and accurately) would accuse of being lazy unprepared, etc, suddenly starts micromanaging every aspect of his visit beforehand - right down to which war ships (or boats, as he called them) - would be in the area?

    - Trump's planners in the White House, realizing the possibility of Trump going bananas, try to do some preemptive damage control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Jude View Post
    which is more likely:

    - Trump, who you usually (and accurately) would accuse of being lazy unprepared, etc, suddenly starts micromanaging every aspect of his visit beforehand - right down to which war ships (or boats, as he called them) - would be in the area?

    - Trump's planners in the White House, realizing the possibility of Trump going bananas, try to do some preemptive damage control.

    #Occam's Razor
    Why leave out the third possibility:

    - Trump, after being informed by a terrified adviser that the McCain will be in the area, exclaims "you better make sure that ship is out of sight or you'll be joining the Mooch and that knucklehead Tillerson!"

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    because that would contradict so many dozens of stories out there that depict staffers up and down the line making countless preemptive decisions without his knowledge? because the stories about this episode that have leaked so far make the administration look bad, and if you're willing to do that then why stop just short of the goal line, so to speak?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Jude View Post
    because that would contradict so many dozens of stories out there that depict staffers up and down the line making countless preemptive decisions without his knowledge? because the stories about this episode that have leaked so far make the administration look bad, and if you're willing to do that then why stop just short of the goal line, so to speak?
    Actually, isn't it the opposite -- Trump makes countless spur of the moment decisions without informing his staffers. Hence the many instances where we read that "staffers were caught off-guard by his comments/tweet...."

    In what instances did staffers make important decisions without his knowledge that was leaked to the press?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Jude View Post
    because that would contradict so many dozens of stories out there that depict staffers up and down the line making countless preemptive decisions without his knowledge? because the stories about this episode that have leaked so far make the administration look bad, and if you're willing to do that then why stop just short of the goal line, so to speak?
    This makes sense to me, but don't you also see an issue with how Trump continually encourages this sort of bad practice? Him saying whoever made this call was well-intentioned is, to me, him letting that person know, yep, good job, you know what I wanted and you weren't out of line, I have your back. He did a lot of this with the Mueller investigation in ways i found appalling, publicly playing footsie with the idea of pardoning folks and/or sounding like a mob boss stating or implying people were rats and weasels for cooperating with government investigators.

    He is consistently loyal and full of praise for any and all who praise and support him, and consistently vicious and petty to any and all who are critical of him or even those that just disagree with him, entirely independent of the right or wrong of the actions or the character of the people. In Trump's worldview, a Saudi Prince or Russian President or Korean dictator who murders reporters and commits countless other atrocities, but has nice things to say about Trump is praise worthy, while a war-hero or gold-star families or otherwise honorable men and woman who critique or even disagree with him or worthy of childish insults and over-the-top public attacks. Hell, he flip-flopped from insulting to praising Kim based on what Kim saying bad things about him in the past vs now saying bad things about his opponent.

    For Trump, there are no good people and bad people or good ideas and bad ideas. There are those with him or against him, those that support his ideas or don't. He does not think like a world leader should. He is unfit for office and I continue to be perplexed by the need for some Never-Trumpers here to push back on what they see as hyperbole in attacks on Trump. I see some folks post way, way more on how "deranged" anti-Trump posters are than on the actual words and actions of our POTUS. Even in conceding that, yes, Trump opponents only focus on his negatives and can overstate things sometimes, I just don't see the benefit of this mediation at all. It comes off as apologetics for someone entirely undeserving of it. It strikes me as absurd that almost everyone who defends Trump (even though some here are quick to phrase that defense as, "I don't like the guy, but you guys are going too far with your critique") is a more articulate, more mature, more reflective, and more thoughtful person than our current POTUS. I'd once again implore you to keep your eye on the ball--that is the biggest issue. Why spend any time at all speaking up for a man worse than you in every way? Is it a form of OCD that any time you see the slightest disconnect in degree between the reality of Trump's egregious conduct and what you deem should be an appropriate characterization and response to it, that you are compelled to focus on that rather than the bigger issue of what Trump does and says and whether it is wrong or right?
    Last edited by Sour Masher; 06-03-2019 at 03:24 PM.

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    1. you were doing so well until you got around to making a diagnosis (wtf)

    2. I think Trump's blunders are pretty well documented here already

    3. when people decide to wallow in mud, the pig likes it. that is, making accurate observations - even over 'little things' like Meghan Markle - is not something we should just throw out the window because of Trump. yet some in the world are doing just that, and it's a shame. I'm not speaking up for Trump; I'm speaking up for standards of accuracy.
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    RP Jeffress 1, Dyson
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    OF Harper LD, Eaton LD, CDickerson 17, Dyson 8, Cooper, UT Beaty
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    There’s a difference between criticizing Trump’s many flaws and actively rooting for bad things to happen to the country/economy/stock market so you can crow about how bad his policies are. IMO, a couple of folks in here wouldn’t shed many tears (based on their postings) if the economy tanked, inflation and unemployment rose as long as they could post about it. Just my opinion........however, I think that’s pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nots View Post
    There’s a difference between criticizing Trump’s many flaws and actively rooting for bad things to happen to the country/economy/stock market so you can crow about how bad his policies are. IMO, a couple of folks in here wouldn’t shed many tears (based on their postings) if the economy tanked, inflation and unemployment rose as long as they could post about it. Just my opinion........however, I think that’s pathetic.
    Just like it was pathetic when you said that even though the vast majority of America will get hit by Trump's tariffs to the estimated tune of $1,000, that was A-OK because you personally got a tax refund of $1,800.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Jude View Post
    1. you were doing so well until you got around to making a diagnosis (wtf)

    2. I think Trump's blunders are pretty well documented here already

    3. when people decide to wallow in mud, the pig likes it. that is, making accurate observations - even over 'little things' like Meghan Markle - is not something we should just throw out the window because of Trump. yet some in the world are doing just that, and it's a shame. I'm not speaking up for Trump; I'm speaking up for standards of accuracy.
    I agree, inaccuracies are always a problem and it is a service to point them out. I believe team Trump, and news outlets like Fox, also spins things, but I dont see the same folks pointing out those things. Maybe, probably, that is simply a by product of the media folks here choose to engage.

    I'm with you that I wish all reporting was unbiased. I have learned things from you and other posters here have pointed out that hasnt not been reported fully by some left leaning sources. In many cases, though, it seems many of us agree on the larger sentiments, but seem to still argue the finer details, and most of the time that is focused on trying to soften the critique of Trump. Again, that may be about what media we all engage and also the demographic of posters here. Maybe if most of us were far right, you and other moderates would be focused on how right of center media often under sells and minimizes Trumps issues.
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