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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernie Brewer View Post
    Maybe I am being intentionally dense, but what is it that Flake voted for that he should have voted against? If anything, Flake’s “handwringing”, as I believe you called it, slowed the GOP steamrolling of things down on occasion so more could be done to more thoughtfully and fully evaluate the substance of the matter. Republicans generally felt that the whole Kavanuagh mess was brought on as a political stunt by Dems. So when he finally cast his vote, he did what his constituents wanted him to do. I haven’t seen polling specific to AZ but I suspect they largely agreed. Again, not trying to argue, just trying to understand this notion that he, and now Romney, should vote against Trump. The vast majority of times I the last Congress that was something was voted on it was something Republicans wanted. Trump can’t bring votes forward and therefore when he wants to do something to subvert the normal process he does so through Ex. Orders. Flake and others in the GOP have often spoken out and challenged Trump’s use of Ex. Orders. Romney was one of those.

    I suspect Romney will be the new John McCain not Jeff Flake.
    Arizona was pretty closely divided between the republicans and Democrats this year, so I suspect that he may not have done what a large percentage of his constituents wanted on the Kavanaugh nomination. They elected a Democratic senator after all. Maybe a majority, but not necessarily large, the nation as a whole was pretty split along party lines, with the Independents going against his nomination.

    But what about independents? As Democrats and Republicans became more deeply committed to their positions, independents slowly grew more aware of the nomination fight. Independents generally tend to be less politically engaged than partisans and, accordingly, only 31 percent reported hearing “a lot” about the nomination by Sept. 8.

    At that point, a majority of independents with an opinion on the matter (64 percent) believed Kavanaugh was qualified, while a plurality thought he should be confirmed (29 percent-20 percent). However, in the three weeks since the allegations first surfaced, independent have become significantly more aware of — and more opposed to — the president’s nominee. By Sept. 22, 52 percent of them had heard “a lot” about the nomination, a number that rose to 65 percent by Sept. 29. This increased attention turned independent opinion against Kavanaugh, and as of today, those individuals firmly oppose his appointment to the court (43 percent-24 percent).
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ntrenched.html

    Again, not saying that he HAS to vote against Trump, he should do what his conscience dictates. But if he follows the lead of Flake, it's literally all talk and no action.

    “I don’t think anybody expected, you know, what happened on Friday to happen. And I can’t say that I did, either,” Flake told CBS News’s Scott Pelley, adding later: “What I was seeing, experiencing, in an elevator and watching it in committee and just thinking, this is ripping our country apart.”

    Two women who said they were sexual assault survivors confronted Flake in an elevator after he announced his plan to endorse Kavanaugh and tearily urged him to reconsider his position. The dramatic moment at the end of an already dramatic week was aired live on CNN.

    Eyes were focused on Flake, a key swing vote on Kavanaugh’s nomination and a fierce critic of President Trump. In his “60 Minutes” interview, which aired two days later, Flake admitted that he would not have done what he did had he been up for reelection.

    “No, not a chance,” Flake said.

    “There’s no value to reaching across the aisle. There’s no currency for that anymore. There’s no incentive,” he added.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.2caa1ccd1adf

    That's the kind of thinking that we as a nation need to eradicate...that's what I'm talking about. We know what Mitch McConnell is, he makes no bones about it, we know who Nancy Pelosi is, she makes no bones about it. BUT when a politician makes public pronouncements about the character and decisions that the President makes, I would expect them to occasionally follow suit by voting against a particularly repugnant position by that leader. Mitt has 6 years to do so...we'll see what happens. I hope that you're right about him being more McCain than Flake, Romney has shown in the past as Governor of Massachusetts that he was willing to take some bolder steps...fingers crossed.
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    Trump says the border wall is more important than federal employee's paychecks, and threatens to keep his shutdown going for "months, or a year." Essential employees who are not getting paid, like TSA screeners, are calling in sick in droves.

    Really, the newly empowered Dems must be thanking their lucky stars for this buffoon. Pelosi & Schumer have played him like a fiddle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revo View Post
    Trump says the border wall is more important than federal employee's paychecks, and threatens to keep his shutdown going for "months, or a year." Essential employees who are not getting paid, like TSA screeners, are calling in sick in droves.

    Really, the newly empowered Dems must be thanking their lucky stars for this buffoon. Pelosi & Schumer have played him like a fiddle.
    Yup, and the hits just keep on coming for the dolt...today it was...wait for it...pay raises for senior administration execs! Really can't make this up...

    With the federal government partially shut down and more than 800,000 workers not receiving paychecks, Vice President Pence and hundreds of senior political appointees in the Trump administration are about to receive annual pay raises of about $10,000 a year beginning Saturday, according to government documents and people with knowledge of the matter.

    The pending raises are set to occur because a pay freeze included in federal law for top executives in 2013 and renewed each year will expire without legislative action by Saturday.
    WaPo Alerts

    Now I get that it's mandated by law at this point, but for fucks sake, get out in front of it and say that nobody's going to accept the raises, or that they'll be donated to charity.
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    And just so I’m clear......border security is the #1 priority, and they’ll keep the government shut down for months or years — but by shutting down the government, border patrol agents won’t be paid? Do I have that right?

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    yep.

    Have to say, the TSA agents today at CLT were in good spirits despite no payday coming in the forseeable future

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    New Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib of Michigan of Trump: "When your son looks at you and says, ‘Momma look, you won, bullies don’t win,’ and I said ‘Baby they don’t,’ because we’re going to go in there and we’re gonna impeach the motherfucker."

    her kid is 13, if that matters.

    this might be a good poll (especially with Ocasio-Cortez doubling down on it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Jude View Post
    New Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib of Michigan of Trump: "When your son looks at you and says, ‘Momma look, you won, bullies don’t win,’ and I said ‘Baby they don’t,’ because we’re going to go in there and we’re gonna impeach the motherfucker."

    her kid is 13, if that matters.

    this might be a good poll (especially with Ocasio-Cortez doubling down on it).

    yay, or nay?
    So did former Canadian Prime Minister Kim Campbell:
    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2019/0...mp_a_23635186/

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    Tonight's speech, I cringe in anticipation. I figure at worst a 'national emergency', but more american carnage at a minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor View Post
    Tonight's speech, I cringe in anticipation. I figure at worst a 'national emergency', but more american carnage at a minimum.
    Preview of tonight's speech - "I am the best president ever. The shutdown isn't my fault. I am the greatest president ever. Stock market is up since I took office. I am the greatest American ever. Everyone in America wants this wall built. I am absolutely the greatest person of all time. Mexico will pay for the big beautiful wall. That I will get built because I am the greatest person in the history of the universe."

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    It's sad that the President of the United States is going to make a televised address, and all anyone can talk about is how they can best fact-check his lies.

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