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    the disinterest in constructive discussion on the immigrant crisis intrigues me.

    as they say in the news business, "if it bleeds, it leads."

    much more fun to virtue signal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
    We should start by recognizing that immigrants are an asset, maybe even especially poor ones from Latin, African, and Asian cultures.

    We should figure out how to integrate as many into our society as we can rather than trying to keep them out and making the bureaucratic and physical hurdles as difficult as possible.

    I don't know at what level immigration becomes too much that it destabilizes and harms our society, but we are currently nowhere near that level.
    this! walking 1500 kilometers when 7 months pregnant so that you can have your baby in the US is not the mark of someone lazy, it's the mark of someone entrepenural, and should be welcomed in the US, not shunned. We let people buy their way into the US every freaking day through the EB-5 program (invest $1M and create 10 jobs, or invest 500k into an existing business) without hue and cry from the anti-immigrant cohort. That's why you see so many nail salons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Jude View Post
    the disinterest in constructive discussion on the immigrant crisis intrigues me.

    as they say in the news business, "if it bleeds, it leads."

    much more fun to virtue signal
    You lose all credibility when you pull out the TDS shtick. Keep whining about "constructive discussion" though.

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    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Jude View Post
    the disinterest in constructive discussion on the immigrant crisis intrigues me.

    as they say in the news business, "if it bleeds, it leads."

    much more fun to virtue signal
    If you're referring to the P"plan"you laid out, what's there to discuss? Trump already killed the dreamers program and so now it's novel to talk about it as though it's something new? and asking some of the poorest people to pay $2000? Do you have any idea how much that is to some of these folks--Like half a years wages if not an entire years wages ands finally, the little "fund a physical barrier" nugget. There is no need for MORE wall, the existing wall and natural barriers are enough. You might not think so, but more than half of the nation does.

    So no, were not disinterested in a solution, just disinterested in proposals that do nothing but fix a problem Trump created while getting him money for the wall (which is why he canceled Dreamers in the first place--to extort money for his Wall)
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    Another thing,

    Conservatives (or anyone for that manner) have this thing they do when confronted with an inconvenient truth, they label it and make the truth they don;t want to deal with something bad.

    Snowflakes, TDS, SJW and now Virtue Signaling.

    In each case, the issue at hand was brought to the public's attention, those who wanted to ignore it or make it go away attached their "stigma"to it. IE

    Snowflake began when people who didn't want to think or be considerate before speaking wanted to shut up those they were offending. So if someone who is Trans is offended by an ignoramus using īt"or He/She"when referring to them (or shit like that) Instead of being a considerate and decent human being who's thoughtful of others, they ;use Snowflake in hopes to make the offended party the issue rather than themselves.

    TDS? It should be called Trump DEFINITION Syndrome. he's a colossal piece of shit and everyone with a brain, any integrity and a daughter/mother/wife should be out to remove him from office. Call him out at every turn rather than being accepting of his bullshit and behavior. TDS? It's people who are too apathetic, don't care enough or secretly like Trump's method of deflecting valid criticism about the Douchebag.

    SJW? What wrong with fighting injustice? We ALL should be SJWs. Do a fraction of people take it to far? sure, but that tiny number of kooks shouldn't be allowed to co opt an entire movement of good hearted citizens only trying to make life better for those who've be marginalized by society.

    And now for my new favorite--VIRTUE SIGNALING.

    So now saying--I try to do the right thing and you should too is bad? WTF? This is horseshit. If the fact others have i higher ethical standard than you bothers you, then look inward, not label and deflect. Look I get it, some people are at the place in their life where giving a shit about anyone else but themselves and their own is more effort than they want to put forth. Other people's problems are just that--OTHER people's problems. So own the fact you don't care as much as someone else rather than labeling them a "Virtue Signaler" like having a higher ethical standard is a bad thing.

    Being offended when someone uses a racial, homophobic, misogynistic slur is not being a Snowflake--it's being a thoughtful and feeling person.

    Criticizing one of the worst people to walk the earth (let alone sit in its highest office) isn't derangement. It's being a decent human being exercising their duty as an American Citizen and member of society.

    The people being labeled shouldn't be disparaged, those using these terms to deflect from their own apathy and "don't give a shit" attitudes should man up and own their shit--If you don't care or don;t care enough or as much as others--own it, just stop blaming those pointing it out by branding their conscientiousness and compassion as something negative just to avoid your feeling bad when they point it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
    Another thing,

    Conservatives (or anyone for that manner) have this thing they do when confronted with an inconvenient truth, they label it and make the truth they don;t want to deal with something bad.

    Snowflakes, TDS, SJW and now Virtue Signaling.

    In each case, the issue at hand was brought to the public's attention, those who wanted to ignore it or make it go away attached their "stigma"to it. IE

    Snowflake began when people who didn't want to think or be considerate before speaking wanted to shut up those they were offending. So if someone who is Trans is offended by an ignoramus using īt"or He/She"when referring to them (or shit like that) Instead of being a considerate and decent human being who's thoughtful of others, they ;use Snowflake in hopes to make the offended party the issue rather than themselves.

    TDS? It should be called Trump DEFINITION Syndrome. he's a colossal piece of shit and everyone with a brain, any integrity and a daughter/mother/wife should be out to remove him from office. Call him out at every turn rather than being accepting of his bullshit and behavior. TDS? It's people who are too apathetic, don't care enough or secretly like Trump's method of deflecting valid criticism about the Douchebag.

    SJW? What wrong with fighting injustice? We ALL should be SJWs. Do a fraction of people take it to far? sure, but that tiny number of kooks shouldn't be allowed to co opt an entire movement of good hearted citizens only trying to make life better for those who've be marginalized by society.

    And now for my new favorite--VIRTUE SIGNALING.

    So now saying--I try to do the right thing and you should too is bad? WTF? This is horseshit. If the fact others have i higher ethical standard than you bothers you, then look inward, not label and deflect. Look I get it, some people are at the place in their life where giving a shit about anyone else but themselves and their own is more effort than they want to put forth. Other people's problems are just that--OTHER people's problems. So own the fact you don't care as much as someone else rather than labeling them a "Virtue Signaler" like having a higher ethical standard is a bad thing.

    Being offended when someone uses a racial, homophobic, misogynistic slur is not being a Snowflake--it's being a thoughtful and feeling person.

    Criticizing one of the worst people to walk the earth (let alone sit in its highest office) isn't derangement. It's being a decent human being exercising their duty as an American Citizen and member of society.

    The people being labeled shouldn't be disparaged, those using these terms to deflect from their own apathy and "don't give a shit" attitudes should man up and own their shit--If you don't care or don;t care enough or as much as others--own it, just stop blaming those pointing it out by branding their conscientiousness and compassion as something negative just to avoid your feeling bad when they point it out.
    Well said.
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    and so constructive!

    speaking of which, maybe we can created a different spot for people to talk about constructive ideas, areas of compromise, ways to actually address a problem instead of ranting, and posting intriguing, verified facts that run counter to the mindless tropes of the right and left, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Jude View Post
    and so constructive!

    speaking of which, maybe we can created a different spot for people to talk about constructive ideas, areas of compromise, ways to actually address a problem instead of ranting, and posting intriguing, verified facts that run counter to the mindless tropes of the right and left, etc.
    Or maybe we can just ask people to own their shit instead of ignoring it and complaining when it's pointed out.

    Oh sorry, didn't mean to get all Virtue Signally on ya.

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