Jonathan Hernandez (TEX) was credited w the win over the Giants today. Unless they changed the rules w/o my realizing it, this is impossible. I did not actually watch this game but the box score tells the story. The game was tied 5-5 after 6 innings. Jesse Chavez finished out the bottom of the 6th for Texas. Texas scored 4 runs in the top of the 7th and then Hernandez came on to pitch the next 2 innings. He did well, allowing no runs or hits and striking out 4 w 1 BB. Volquez pitched the 9th and Texas won 9-5. There's no way anyone but Chavez can get this win but the game has been over for over 2 hours and they still havent changed it. This isnt a situation where the starter gets taken out w the lead before completing 5 IP so they have to decide which reliever to give the win to. Actually, I'd like for Hernandez to get the win, since I just picked him up in my FAAB.
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Rule 9.17
(c) The Official Scorer shall not credit as the winning pitcher a relief pitcher who is ineffective in a brief appearance, when at least one succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively in helping his team maintain its lead. In such a case, the Official Scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the succeeding relief pitcher who was most effective, in the judgment of the Official Scorer.
Rule 9.17(c) Comment: The Official Scorer generally should, but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher).
Rule 9.17(b) Comment provides guidance on choosing the winning pitcher from among several succeeding relief pitchers."Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"
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that is the rule, but in the last 20 years I haven't noticed a single instance of an official scorer making a call like this.
Chavez allowed a 2-run HR that tied the game, so he was not effective.
but unless MLB announced before the season that they finally intend to enforce a previously-unenforced rule, this seems dumb.
(and I actually like the concept of Chavez not getting the W here; but all businesses should have a consistency that seems lacking here.)finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1
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Originally posted by Judge Jude View Postthat is the rule, but in the last 20 years I haven't noticed a single instance of an official scorer making a call like this.
Chavez allowed a 2-run HR that tied the game, so he was not effective.
but unless MLB announced before the season that they finally intend to enforce a previously-unenforced rule, this seems dumb.
(and I actually like the concept of Chavez not getting the W here; but all businesses should have a consistency that seems lacking here.)Last edited by rhd; 08-03-2020, 12:25 AM.
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I seem to remember this rule actually being used in the 1970s/1980s at times.
the idea of giving a W to a guy who had an ineffective outing like Chavez had not only starched some official scorer shorts, but iirc back then there was even a willingness to give the W to a guy a couple of RPs later in a high-scoring game.finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1
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Originally posted by Judge Jude View PostI seem to remember this rule actually being used in the 1970s/1980s at times.
the idea of giving a W to a guy who had an ineffective outing like Chavez had not only starched some official scorer shorts, but iirc back then there was even a willingness to give the W to a guy a couple of RPs later in a high-scoring game.
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Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
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yes, the other examples cited either seemed much more egregious, or the modern official scorer is content to let the effective finisher get credit for a SV - with the W being an afterthought.
it's one of many MLB quirks and blunders, but obviously not ranking in the top 100 these days. so the blunder will stand.finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1
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Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
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The recent cases where a relief pitcher gets the win and meets the Rule 9.17(c) definition of ineffective are only somewhat more numerous than the cases when he is not awarded the win. Both are pretty rare. I can find that it's happened four times since 2013:
Seth Maness - May 15, 2013
Jim Johnson - April 24, 2018
Xavier Cedeno - August 2, 2018
Chasen Shreve - July 22, 2019
In Shreve's case, the only subsequent pitcher got the save, so that may be a motivating factor for the scorer."Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"
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