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Lucky
03-26-2011, 10:45 AM
Some may remember, back before the format change I had posted about our little 6-year old dachshund, Willie. We had not caught the early signs that he was having back trouble, and by the time we did, he was completely unable to walk or stand. The vet said a $3500 procedure might help, but we just didn't have the money.

I wrote in to see if anyone had experience with a paralyzed pet, and whether it was better to let him do the best he could or put him down. I got some good suggestions and support, but what stood out the most were nulllie's posts. As I recall, he said among other things that Willie would take his cues from me. If we treated him well, he would adapt and be a happy dog.

Long story shorter...I'm still recovering from major back surgery, so I've had to spend most of my time right here in the recliner, with Willie right here in my lap. We read and listen to music...well, I read and listen to music while Willie snores. He likes to be rubbed behind the hears. Sometimes we'll spend several hours a day just sitting here together.

We bought him all kinds of harnesses and rigs to help him walk, but he just didn't seem interested in them.

About three weeks ago, I had to get out of my chair, so I set Willie down on the floor beside me. He pulled himself to his feet, took two steps and fell down. Odd, I thought. A couple of days later, he took about ten steps. Every few days, he would take a few steps...awkward, clumsy, feet twisted, but trying to walk.

Now, after four months of not using either back leg for anything, Willie can walk up to around 50 feet, and is getting more surefooted all the time. He's even tried to trot a few times. After four months of our having to take him outside and hold him while he did his "business", now we can just let him out in the back yard. He barks to let us know when he wants back in.

I don't know how this happened. The vet doesn't know either. We don't know if it will last. But it sure has been nice to see Willie get around on his own.

Make no mistake, he has become very spoiled, and still wants to be in my lap whenever possible. But I can't help think that freedom to walk around is making him at least as happy as it has made us.

Anyway, that's what's happening here. Willie the Miracle Dog walks on.

And thanks, nullie, for some great advice.

joncarlos
03-26-2011, 10:58 AM
Great stuff. Who knew listening to Nullie was a good idea? ;)

In the Corn
03-26-2011, 11:02 AM
Very cool!

MagSeven
03-26-2011, 11:31 AM
That's an awesome story! Enjoy him as long as you can; dogs are remarkable animals.

cardboardbox
03-26-2011, 11:47 AM
awesome!

Pics please. :)

virgonomic
03-26-2011, 12:39 PM
Awesome news! My grandfather is going through the same thing at 94. He was basically experiencing dementia a few months ago. He is now able to drive his car. He once told me that the human body is regenerative. I think that applies to any living species.

heyelander
03-26-2011, 01:36 PM
fantastic stuff. thanks for keeping us up to date. Made me smile. :)

DMT
03-26-2011, 02:44 PM
That is awesome!

Lucky
03-26-2011, 05:17 PM
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Lucky
03-26-2011, 05:18 PM
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chancellor
03-26-2011, 06:17 PM
Great stuff. Who knew listening to Nullie was a good idea? ;)

Listening to nullie is always a good thing. Understanding him, sometimes... ;) :)

But there's no doubt he loves animals.

cardboardbox
03-27-2011, 01:07 AM
cute dog. I used to have one growing up. Although I now prefer bigger dogs, dachshunds will always have a special place in my heart.

Judge Jude
03-27-2011, 03:24 AM
Yes, I am an animal whisperer myself, but nullie still makes me think some more.
great story and pix..

Wonderboy
03-27-2011, 01:52 PM
Wow, this thread really picked up my spirits! Good for you for hanging in there with your friend.

Lucky
03-27-2011, 02:52 PM
Wow, this thread really picked up my spirits! Good for you for hanging in there with your friend.

We're here in our recliner now. I'm doing draft prep, he's fast asleep. I think he's dreaming about chasing rabbits.

I'm so glad we listened to the people who told us Willie could still have a good quality of life paralyzed. I don't know if this partial recovery is permanent or not, but sure is nice. All those cold and/or rainy nights, having to carry him out and hold him while he did his business...it all was worth it.

nullnor
03-28-2011, 06:03 AM
it's good to hear. i don't really know about dachshund back injuries. i looked it up quickly when you posted in the last thread. it could be a slipped disk. in addition, it could be a pinched nerve. it could be the fluid leaking out of the disk and damaging the spinal cord. it could be all three messing around with the spinal cord.

it's hard to tell what to do sometimes because animals are really good at healing themselves. most vets don't want to intervene unless they have too. just spend some time on the net familiarizing yourself with this specific type of injury in these dogs. there's lots of different treatment options. i even remember seeing one option to put them in a cage alot so they can't hurt themselves more while they heal. like being real careful with him for 5 months. not that he can jump but don't let him jump off anything or put too much pressure on his front legs. and if you don't have a fence, don't leave him outside where a coyote or something can get him.

i don't know why im good with animals. ..everyones born with something. there's not much i wouldn't do for them.

heyelander would know and have more experience than me with dachshunds. but sooner or later you'll end up being the expert on them. sometimes love is the best medicine while they do their thing.

there's a million articles on this stuff. http://www.articlesbase.com/pets-articles/what-to-do-if-your-dachshund-has-back-trouble-558405.html
Treatment almost always includes using an anti-inflammatory medicine. You'll hear the term "conservative treatment", this means a less radical approach or non surgical. Conservative treatments can include rest and medication, injections (Adequan is a medication said to promote healing of disc cartilage) and even chiropractic or acupuncture treatments.

nullnor
03-28-2011, 06:47 AM
i suspect the reason Willie didn't take to the harnesses and stuff is because he doesn't want to admit or doesn't think he needs them. my cat is the same way. i remember when the receptionist said something and i said 'she seems to think she'll get better'. of course they thought i was referring to the female veterinarian, with a slight puzzled look that i might be referring to my cats thoughts. and the only thing i've ever seen her negative about her spinal cord injury was when she looked at a tree once and thought 'i used to be able to climb that'.

edit: my best guess is that what ever happened eventually was taken care of by Willies white blood cells. there could very well be a piched nerve in there also, but his immune system eventually broke down the disk matter immediately affecting his spinal cord. then the brain goes about the process of rewiring everything. and that takes time. and there could still be matter in there waiting to move again or not. and if it does the brain will have to start over again. the good thing about my cat was that she obliterated the disk so it took less time to break down. and also the fact she's a cat, their vertebrae are elastic and more resilient.

the original x-ray will tell you where the compression and what vertebrae spot is affected. the compression could be less, or the space between the spot wider now (i don't know if thats possible, maybe in cats) which would be good. the danger after they get better is if another, different disk, slips or leaks. but an x-ray will tell you if another spot becomes compressed. but after he starts walking, and it's safe, i would think the best thing would be to try to prevent anymore disks from becoming a problem. so it's a catch 22. if there is medicine that can strengthen the other disks, perhaps look into it after the original problematic matter has already been broken down by Willies immune system. i would think one disk problem is hopefully manageable, but not so much two.

i've had off and on feelings about veterinarians, but until proven otherwise, you have to trust them. they do know their stuff. but they are trained because the information is daunting. i don't think i'd trust a doggie chiropractor tho.

nullnor
05-11-2011, 12:34 PM
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nullnor
05-11-2011, 12:35 PM
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nullnor
05-11-2011, 12:35 PM
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nullnor
05-11-2011, 12:36 PM
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nullnor
05-11-2011, 12:37 PM
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nullnor
05-11-2011, 12:37 PM
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Lucky
05-11-2011, 12:44 PM
Nice images, nullie.

Everything you told me about Willie, and what would happen over time, was absolutely true. He is not 100%, but he now gets along very well, and even runs with the big Lab out in the yard. His favorite resting place, though, is still right here in the recliner with me.

I really appreciate your advice and analysis and predictions. Willie did in fact take his cues from us, and seems to be as happy as ever.

nullnor
05-11-2011, 12:51 PM
yes, animals are like that.

ps. thanks, i put the images together like a story for you.

johnnya24
05-11-2011, 01:52 PM
Are we sure there isn't a simpler answer to this?

http://www.masters-of-war.org/images/BUSH/bush_jesus_christ.jpg

nullnor
05-11-2011, 03:17 PM
the moral of the story is, we sometimes suffer or endure momentary monumental bad luck before moving to good luck and mitigation or miracle. but thats only if your lucky.

nullnor
05-17-2011, 02:56 AM
i do have a dilemma. and im not off my meds. do i let ppl maybe think i think im freaking Jesus Christ. or do i go off. because im kind of pissed about a few things.

johnny: congratulations. you managed to (ruin a beautiful thread) get two insults in at once. religion and politics. your really just an anti-religious troll. and not even a very smart one. europeans have no real politics so they have to get in ours. europeans like you actually give ppl like Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin some semblence of validity in their ranting. your ***** ass would be speaking german if we hadn't been around to babysit your military.

Lucky. it's not images it's art dude. i put that together from nothing in less than an hour, and most of the time was spent just pasting the links. it's genius. an idea that would win an award at an art gallery. and enough with the Dennis Miller crap. not that im going all [email protected] (where, im throwing my hat in with an anti-immigrant piece of **** like ST) but when i criticize Obama and democrats im really complaining that the battle is lost. america doesn't just lean right, it's full blown conservative. we may win some battles but the framework of the argument has been obliterated. thus i decided to try to understand them. and as a result get called a defector of the motherland. do you know what bipartisan means? it means conservative democrats getting together with uber-conservative republicans and making a deal.

ST, you deserve any crap you get in real life. not that you have anything to do with this or the Bush thread but while im going off i might as well take some liberties. your freaking DR Smith in Lost in Space.

im actually tired of the anti-republican and anti-religious stuff on here. sure im a huge offender but im trying to grow up. even if it means anarchy, i don't prefer.

i don't want ppl to think im insane... whatever. that Bush picture in this thread really set me off. i wouldn't have typed this otherwise.

nullnor
05-17-2011, 03:49 AM
...and ppl that cite a clown like Stephen Hawking on theology.
Rees launched another attack on his Cambridge colleague Stephen Hawking, who in the week his latest book hit the shelves last year declared there was no need for a creator God. "I know Stephen Hawking well enough to know that he has read little philosophy and less theology, so I don't think his views should be taken with any special weight," Rees said.

Lucky
05-17-2011, 08:56 AM
Yeah, I thought the Bush picture was pretty offensive, too, but it doesn't change my belief that apologizing to Bush for anything at this point is laughable. Regardless party affiliation, he hurt us as a country in ways from which we can never recover. Never again will we hold the high ground on torture and human rights. Even John McCain spoke the other day about how torture was wrong, as well as ineffective, and he has some first hand experience with the subject. So, indignation noted, but anyone who plays the Bush apologist opens themselves up to the same sort of critique.

nullnor
05-18-2011, 01:53 AM
there's a saying, learn as you go not go as you learn.

you had the same exact injury as the dog. yet you let yourself get fixed while the dog suffered. how would you like it if the doctors decided to just see if you came around and got better. yet, you care more about how terrorists are treated than a member of your own family. and you said it was your wife's dog. if not doing it for the dog, do it for them. but you make an excuse about money... you don't know me, but i know you.

you fail to go out and take the time to educate yourself on the subject. you know, you don't have to be intentional to be cruel. it happens all the time. a cat will pee on the rug because it has a urinary tract infection and instead of taking it to the doctor, they'll put it to sleep because they think it's a behavior problem. or maybe they'll just put it down in the basement and let it get worse until it dies of kidney failure.

...but for the record, your not my problem. heck, im even cruel to my pet due to my own ignorance. we all are. ..but don't preach to me about politics.

Lucky
05-18-2011, 09:02 AM
The magnitude of information regarding my situation which you don't know, or which you don't understand, is staggering. Your comments are not only inaccurate, but personally offensive.

I will speak out against torture so long as people here try to defend it. Torture is wrong. Period.

Gregg
05-18-2011, 09:22 AM
The magnitude of information regarding my situation which you don't know, or which you don't understand, is staggering. Your comments are not only inaccurate, but personally offensive.

I will speak out against torture so long as people here try to defend it. Torture is wrong. Period.

Lucky,

I struggle with the torture idea. On the one hand I agree that torture is wrong, on the other I could see myself under the right circumstances employing it (which even thinking about it makes me a little sick to my stomach).

You are locked in a room with your son's kidnapper. He has buried him in the woods with enough oxygen to last a couple of hours at best. He makes no demands, and just takes pleasure in your suffering. The only thing in the room is a pencil. What are you going to do with it?

I honestly do not know what I would do, and would hate to find out. I confess that I believe I would do what it takes to get the information to save my childs life.

I would hope that at some point all of our leaders (whether I agree with their politics or not) would have something close to love of our Country and citizens, much like we do for our kids.

billbuckner
05-18-2011, 09:29 AM
Everybody just relax

Wonderboy
05-18-2011, 09:53 AM
Everybody just relax or I'll start water-boarding you.

billbuckner
05-18-2011, 09:57 AM
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nullnor
05-18-2011, 10:03 AM
i said before the information is daunting. im trying to help you. i imagine that sometimes maybe the better advice in life can be offensive. but you gotta ask those questions. you gotta question yourself. you gotta question me. you gotta question your veterinarian. you gotta question Bush. i tried to be indirect and kind doing it with pictures. but when you said there was a sea of change or the potential of playing with Bill O'Reilly (that was Obama btw) i decided to be more direct. my name is Larry. it's not a good name. but the L stands for loyalty. i got that from my army parents. it's an instinct i do with my eye's closed. you're Lucky. and you've probably got some L too. it's also why i have an animal thing. there's nothing more loyal than animals. especially your pets.

if your dog can walk than your almost back to square one. you've been given a second chance. i've been given more chances in life than i can count. try not to be too offended, but more importantly try not to be too set in your ways. i said once before there that were many times my friends never questioned me, even when they should. and always let me do whatever destructive thing that i was doing. inaccurate or not, it's your friends that try to tell you how it is. but sure, be angry if im presumptuous. that the internet for you.

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Hornsby
05-18-2011, 11:46 AM
Ahhh, the good times. This is why I've found it futile to post in the Sports bar...a heartwarming story about a little Dog's recovery is turned into personal attacks and "debates" about torture and politics. Shhheeesh...

nullnor
05-18-2011, 12:45 PM
i was hoping that you would tho. but not about the latter. it wasn't my idea to merge this thread with politics. and i still didn't, but john and lucky did. but i did want to try to tell everyone that the sports bar politics is killing the site.

all i cared about was a little dog. and it's not better (i have experience in these things). but it could be better if action is taken now. otherwise it will happen again. the slipped disk material needs to be cleaned up.

but thats what i do, get drunk and rehash my stuff here. not many of those days left for me. i doubt lucky will be back soon or check this thread.

how do i exit this site without making it seem like it's anyones fault. it's been my problem for a few years now.

thats what happened when we moved tho. everyone signed up again hoping it wouldn't be the same liberal or political bs, but it was anyways. and im a liberal. i appreciate your wisdom too Hornsby.

that was a mistake. baseball is religious and conservative. and we kicked out our audience.

Gregg
05-18-2011, 12:49 PM
Everybody just relax

I am relaxed. I was just hoping to get Lucky's opinion. It is something I struggle with, and hope to get other perspectives.

Cobain's Ghost
05-18-2011, 12:55 PM
i for one am against torturing dachshunds.

nullnor
05-18-2011, 01:06 PM
hey Horns on your sig... there's an essay contest. (Is Reality Digital or Analog?)
http://www.fqxi.org/community/essay

i haven't read any of them. actually thats sounds like more up Seitzer's stuff.

Gregg
05-18-2011, 01:13 PM
i for one am against torturing dachshunds.

Unless they refused to tell you where they buried your kid.

nullnor
05-18-2011, 01:40 PM
i need to fall on my sword. i said before PGP, ST, and me.

PGP was the brave one since he went first... all i ask is that you finally get ST for me.

Lucky
05-18-2011, 04:21 PM
i was hoping that you would tho. but not about the latter. it wasn't my idea to merge this thread with politics. and i still didn't, but john and lucky did. but i did want to try to tell everyone that the sports bar politics is killing the site.

all i cared about was a little dog. and it's not better (i have experience in these things). but it could be better if action is taken now. otherwise it will happen again. the slipped disk material needs to be cleaned up.

but thats what i do, get drunk and rehash my stuff here. not many of those days left for me. i doubt lucky will be back soon or check this thread.

how do i exit this site without making it seem like it's anyones fault. it's been my problem for a few years now.

thats what happened when we moved tho. everyone signed up again hoping it wouldn't be the same liberal or political bs, but it was anyways. and im a liberal. i appreciate your wisdom too Hornsby.

that was a mistake. baseball is religious and conservative. and we kicked out our audience.

You're mistaken here again, Larry. If you'd bothered to look at the thread before popping off, you would have seen that. John brought in politics with the Bush photo in post 27. Then you got political in post 29. I responded two posts later. So no, John and Lucky didn't bring politics into the thread. John and Larry brought politics into the thread. And then you opened the door on personally offensive comments.


Larry, you don't know me. It's amazingly arrogant to claim that you do. You don't know anything about my family situation or my canine situation, other than the small part of the story I shared here. The rest is your imagination.

Stay, leave, whatever. I'm tired of sharing your angst. You join PaleoTalons on "ignore".

Lucky
05-18-2011, 04:40 PM
Lucky,

I struggle with the torture idea. On the one hand I agree that torture is wrong, on the other I could see myself under the right circumstances employing it (which even thinking about it makes me a little sick to my stomach).

You are locked in a room with your son's kidnapper. He has buried him in the woods with enough oxygen to last a couple of hours at best. He makes no demands, and just takes pleasure in your suffering. The only thing in the room is a pencil. What are you going to do with it?

I honestly do not know what I would do, and would hate to find out. I confess that I believe I would do what it takes to get the information to save my childs life.

I would hope that at some point all of our leaders (whether I agree with their politics or not) would have something close to love of our Country and citizens, much like we do for our kids.

You raise a really tough question. I don't know what I would do, either. That's one of the problems that is probably inherent in policy decisions, that even good policies can have bad results in some cases.

It would certainly be a test of faith in the case of a child being kidnapped and buried, and I know what you mean about the sick feeling in your stomach. I believe that if there were an imminent threat to the life of my wife, daughter or son (as in a burglar with a knife to their throats) that I could use deadly force to protect them. So, maybe under extraordinary circumstances I could torture someone if it were absolutely necessary to save the life of a family member.

The really hard question, though, is what we want our government to do. Although there can be no society without the individuals who comprise it, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. We should expect our society's moral strength to be greater than our own. It reminds me of the question pundits used to ask politicians who were against the death penalty, what if it was your wife who was murdered? Sure, many of us personally would like to see the murderer drawn and quartered, but that still leaves room for the belief that the death penalty is not something our government should impose.

So, if I understood you correctly, we both have strong but mixed feelings on the issue. I don't know the answer to all the questions, but I know that I cringe every time our leaders condemn others for their human rights abuses and they throw back at us the torture issue. I share Senator McCain's fears that we have increased the danger to our troops in the field, as well.

nullnor
05-20-2011, 04:12 AM
You're mistaken here again, Larry. If you'd bothered to look at the thread before popping off, you would have seen that. John brought in politics with the Bush photo in post 27. Then you got political in post 29. I responded two posts later. So no, John and Lucky didn't bring politics into the thread. John and Larry brought politics into the thread. And then you opened the door on personally offensive comments.


Larry, you don't know me. It's amazingly arrogant to claim that you do. You don't know anything about my family situation or my canine situation, other than the small part of the story I shared here. The rest is your imagination.

Stay, leave, whatever. I'm tired of sharing your angst. You join PaleoTalons on "ignore".yeah, i don't know anything thats why everything i said came true. you don't spend the money to fix your pup cause your an old man that's trained in his ways. sure you love animals, but pigs would have to fly before you'd spend a couple grand on their health.

i totally helped you. then i get drunk and talk politics and i suddenly don't measure up to your political standards. called me a comedian (twice). then when gloves come off a little you run away. lol. don't stand in the kitchen if you can't take the heat bub. you're not fooling anyone.

i could live in a nutshell and count myself a king of infinite space.

nullnor
05-20-2011, 04:20 AM
you waste your time and argue about things that don't matter and have nothing to do with you, and ignore the things that do.

it's really none of my business, but i bet anything you have to say about your financial situation is a lie now, because your worried about how'd you look. also treating the dog's injury one event at a time is pennywise and pound foolish in the long run.

edit: your totally lying about something. and you sound like PGP by calling me by my first name and arguing about who said what. you lie, then hide it, then lie again and change the subject about politics (to find some moral higher ground) then run away. your a house of cards.

i hope ppl here realize what a phoney you are. you shouldn't have brought it up in the first place if you had no intention of doing the smart and right thing. it's not about the puppy anymore, it's about what a fake you are.

im just glad they didn't ban me so i could say that. it's not me going off about an animal. you play a good game but something stinks about you. you really sound like PGP and for that you should be ashamed. but they'll have sympathy for you because your Lucky. and they need you. but your a total liar. im sorry.

nullnor
08-27-2011, 05:07 PM
ok i lost my cool and im sorry for that. im sure many of you know that an animal or pets health is really the only thing that would've caused this perfect storm of events. it fustrating to know the proper thing to do but not be able to do it. im sure it's also fustrating for Lucky.

this was the scenario he faced. he missed the intial injury (which we all do) and had a chance to operate and make it so the dog would be prefectly fixed and be normal. after he lost that opportunity, a year later, he still had the chance to operate and make it so the dog could still walk without pain but never be normal, for example not jump but not lose the ability to walk once the matter cut into the spinal cord or screwed up other disks. he chose to do neither even after being given the chance, as far as i know.

now the dog is in pain, and will eventually lose the ability to walk and have to be carted. it's still probably not to late to do the latter and have it be able to take care of itself. it's still even possible the 2nd scenario can resolve itself on it's own, but not without an $1,200 MRI to tell if it will.

i still hope Lucky will make the right choices, even if he refused to hear. and i apologize for my ugliness. the worst part is i knew that kind of stuff (arguing) wouldn't help as all i cared about was the dog, and the dog didn't need me screwing it up for him and pushing his owner into denial. it's one of those situations where you want to help but by being rough with the owner you only make it worse.

i ****ed up with Lucky. i don't care about that tho. i just want him to do whats best. and that means fixing his dogs situation which he probably can still do. it's better for him, the dog and everyone. good ppl get 2nd and 3rd chances. but don't **** that up either. it's all about still keeping his pets ability to walk.

nullnor
08-27-2011, 05:26 PM
he's probably got me on ignore still, and there is the chance i could be wrong, even tho i'd be not sure to believe him. but i'd still rather have a miracle happen and be wrong than not have a miracle happen and be right... if that last sentence are my final words than those words aren't so bad.