Grant Hill Responds to Jalen Rose's comments, in aftermath of "Fab Five" Documentary

[PaleoMan]

This has taken a life of it's own.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/grant-hills-response-to-jalen-rose/

[Mithrandir]

It seems the big problem is that African Americans feel the need to call other African Americans "Uncle Tom's".

[PaleoMan]

It seems the big problem is that African Americans feel the need to call other African Americans "Uncle Tom's".

I think it was poor wording on Rose's part, but his frustration with what he classified as Duke privilege was communicated. Despite this clumsy choice of words, he came off as very likable and endearing throughout the entire documentary.

[bryanbutler]

i never realized hill was so eloquent. when was the last time you heard a basketball player (or from any other professional sport) use "Ad ingenium faciendum"?

[Moonlight J]

All of the Uncle Tom's at Duke speak like that.

Grant Hill -- still undefeated against Michigan

[Judge Jude]

Grant Hill's father, a 1,000-yard rusher for the Cowboys, went to Yale. His mother went to Wellesley. I rather doubt anyone was handing him a cheat sheet in class.

Jason Whitlock has been on a Twitter binge, expressing his frustration that it isn't just the Klan that's saying that having supportive fathers and backing education is "not black" - "it's us," as he put it.

That's really impressive writing by Hill. Calmly stake your case all the way through, come across as the reasonable one - then write a kicker that's more stiletto than sledgehammer but it gets the job DONE.

[chancellor]

Grant Hill's father, a 1,000-yard rusher for the Cowboys, went to Yale.

Calvin Hill is one of the finest speakers I've had the pleasure of listening to.

The apple didn't fall far from the tree.

[SenorSmoke]

That's really impressive writing by Hill. Calmly stake your case all the way through, come across as the reasonable one - then write a kicker that's more stiletto than sledgehammer but it gets the job DONE.

Yes, but I watched the full documentary (it is great) and it doesn't change the fact the Rose made it very, very clear that he was talking about what he thought as an 18-year-old kid from inner city Detroit and that he doesn't feel that way today. I feel like Hill went out of his way not to acknowledge the fact that the comment was a historical look back at what Rose and the rest of the Fab Five felt at the time and in the context of where he comes from compared to the more privileged black athletes often recruited by Duke. Highly recommend the doc, god I loved watching that team.

[Judge Jude]

I didn't see it, and am hearing conflicting things about all that. But yes, I have seen that point raised.

That's also a thing about impressive writing - as propaganda, it uses the same methodology, and it's also effective.

[senorsheep]

god I loved watching that team.

Yeah, as University Of Illinois alumnus, I could watch this all day...



:laughing devil smiley:

I actually felt really bad for Chris Webber. That was one helluva team.

[schlesinj]

Yes, but I watched the full documentary (it is great) and it doesn't change the fact the Rose made it very, very clear that he was talking about what he thought as an 18-year-old kid from inner city Detroit and that he doesn't feel that way today. I feel like Hill went out of his way not to acknowledge the fact that the comment was a historical look back at what Rose and the rest of the Fab Five felt at the time and in the context of where he comes from compared to the more privileged black athletes often recruited by Duke. Highly recommend the doc, god I loved watching that team.

I watched it too. Very entertaining. Loved the old footage. Webber was not part of the documentary.

[schlesinj]

Yeah, as University Of Illinois alumnus, I could watch this all day...



:laughing devil smiley:

I actually felt really bad for Chris Webber. That was one helluva team.

They showed some evidence that someone from the bench was signaling a time out, but also pointed out they made it clear they were out of time outs.

[Hammer]

I dont care how Rose phrased it. You just cant use that term no matter your intention. Just like white people cannot use the word 'nigger' no matter its use.

I havent seen it yet. I am looking forward to.

[SenorSmoke]

I actually felt really bad for Chris Webber. That was one helluva team.

I thought the extended footage of him walking back to the locker room after that game was positively chilling -- great footage. As an aside, several years later the Kings were in town facing the woeful Timberwolves and I scored front row tickets directly behind the basket from a work contact. In a key moment at the end of the game, Webber was on the line and just as he went into his free throw motion I screamed "TIMEOUT!" as loud as I could. Webber stopped short and started cracking up, shaking his head back and forth with a big old smile. He collected himself and proceeded to drop two free throws to seal the game. Obnoxious yes and I'm sure he'd heard it a hundred times before but it was cool to see he had a sense of humor about it years later . . .

[SenorSmoke]

I dont care how Rose phrased it. You just cant use that term no matter your intention. Just like white people cannot use the word 'nigger' no matter its use.

I havent seen it yet. I am looking forward to.

Watch it and see if your feelings change -- I thought it was refreshingly candid. The question posed to him, loosely, was "What did you think of those guys back then?" and Rose answered the question truthfully: "We thought they were Uncle Toms" and "soft" and "little b*thces". I'm quite certain that is EXACTLY what they thought back in 92-93 and any other answer would have been dishonest. I thought Rose came across as a genuinely likable guy.