*** VD 7 Commentary Thread ***

[johnnya24]

Proposed draft:

Limited player pool: 1970-present only (eligibility determined by the BY chosen)
No letter, decade or franchise restrictions
10x10
25 Rounds (15 hitters & 10 pitchers)
Multi + 0.75
No KO's

In:

TS Garp
Revo
Johnny
Heyelander
Eldiablo
Controller J
Hacko
Pogues
Frae
Long John
Feral

Waiting on:

Knuckleballs

I have PM'd the usual suspects:

DMT;
mjl;
Kevin Seitzer;
Riff Raff;
cavebird;
off_the_wall;
joncarlos;
bryanbutler;
OaklandA's;

[johnnya24]

I've no idea how deep this will go ... 250-60 deep into this player pool seems like a good chunk.

[TS Garp]

Psyched to do this and get deeper into the player pool. It'll be good for a guy like Dummy Hoy to have real value. Hell, Harry Stovey has gone undrafted lately!

[revo]

Aren't there two categories we can add to pitchers? Win %? Walks?

[Pogues]

Dropping saves? Wussies. If the category doesn't fit into making things boring, just drop it!

[hacko]

I am in

[revo]

there's one issue with this format, and his name is Babe Ruth. Whoever gets the #1 spot and takes him instantly starts off with a 180 HR advantage (next closest in HRs over this period had 534). So because of that, I was thinking that maybe the years should be 1875-1919 with the limitation that Ruth can only be selected as a Pitcher. Then the next period would be 1920-1969, followed by 1970-2012. This way, Ruth falls into the second period and the HRs are far more plentiful.

[johnnya24]

there's one issue with this format, and his name is Babe Ruth. Whoever gets the #1 spot and takes him instantly starts off with a 180 HR advantage (next closest in HRs over this period had 534). So because of that, I was thinking that maybe the years should be 1875-1919 with the limitation that Ruth can only be selected as a Pitcher. Then the next period would be 1920-1969, followed by 1970-2012. This way, Ruth falls into the second period and the HRs are far more plentiful.

700+ HR - Ruth

~500 HR - Foxx, Ott, Gehrig

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300+ HR - DiMaggio, Greenberg, Simmons, Hornsby, Klein

250+ HR - CY Williams, York, Bob Johnson

230+ HR - Hartnett, Averill, Camilli, Berger, Wilson, Goslin

200+ HR - Dickey, Medwick, Bottomley, Trosky

180+ HR - Herman, Heinrich, Heilmann, Gehringer, Lombardi, Heath, Ken Williams

150+ HR - Terry, Meusel, Keltner, Hafey, Cronin, Clift, Lazzeri

130+ HR - Kuhel, Wheat, Ripper Collins, Travis Jackson, Fournier, Connor, Higgins, George Kelly

110+ HR - Manush, Waner, O'Doul, Hurst, Miller, Speaker, Cobb, Tilly Walker, Ryan, Cravath, Bonura, Cochrane, McManus, Stovey, Gee Walker, Thompson, Cuyler

[johnnya24]

We could set a handicap on the upper limit of Career HR's

[revo]

Also, if we go with 1875-1919, the 1920-1969 period would be interesting from a pitching perspective.

700+ HR - Ruth

~500 HR - Foxx, Ott, Gehrig

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300+ HR - DiMaggio, Greenberg, Simmons, Hornsby, Klein

250+ HR - CY Williams, York, Bob Johnson

230+ HR - Hartnett, Averill, Camilli, Berger, Wilson, Goslin

200+ HR - Dickey, Medwick, Bottomley, Trosky

Right, so a Top 5 pick would almost instantly be worth two lower 1st round hitters in HRs, with Ruth equalling three of them.

Even if we set an upper limit on career HRs, it would be almost impossible for a non-Top 5 team to compete in career HRs.

If we adjust the periods, it also evens out the periods to about 40-years each.

[TS Garp]

Revo raises a good point, although someone could still take Ruth for 1919. We could go 1870 - 1915, 1916 - 1961, 1962 - 2012.

I wouldn't mind splitting it up even further, but maybe we should start with 3?

[johnnya24]

Also, if we go with 1875-1919, the 1920-1969 period would be interesting from a pitching perspective.




Right, so a Top 5 pick would almost instantly be worth two lower 1st round hitters in HRs, with Ruth equalling three of them.

Even if we set an upper limit on career HRs, it would be almost impossible for a non-Top 5 team to compete in career HRs.

If we adjust the periods, it also evens out the periods to about 40-years each.

Problem is that the 1870's are dreadful, the 1880's are below average, the 1900's are mediocre and only held up by the 1890's overflow, and the 1910's suck. So we'd be drafting dregs pretty soon ... especially in a position like Catcher (1920's and 30's add some depth to C).

... adding the 1920's and 1930's hitters brings important value to the player pool IMO.

A career HR ceiling of 400-420 HR's would solve the problem

[revo]

Revo raises a good point, although someone could still take Ruth for 1919. We could go 1870 - 1915, 1916 - 1961, 1962 - 2012.

I wouldn't mind splitting it up even further, but maybe we should start with 3?

I had mentioned earlier that if we did a 1875-1919 draft, Ruth could only be taken as a pitcher. That would solve the hitting problem.

A career HR ceiling of 400-420 HR's would solve the problem

I'm not sure I follow. Everyone will have >400 career HRs from even a non-top 5 HR slugger lineup.

[heyelander]

all of you have me fuckin' blocked... don't you.

[TS Garp]

I had mentioned earlier that if we did a 1875-1919 draft, Ruth could only be taken as a pitcher. That would solve the hitting problem.

Missed that -- I like that solution.