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griswold
03-06-2011, 10:57 PM
I won't go into the history of Griswold vs. Shandler, but most of the Junkies know the story.

However, today I went to the First Pitch in Cleveland and had my first ever face-to-face meeting with Ron Shandler.

The first sentence out of Ron's mouth overwhelmed me with joy.

It went like this:

Gris: Hi, Ron...it's been 9 years since we first met on RotoJunkie. I'm Griswold.

Ron: Oh yeah, Bob Lung, right? Yeah, it's a pleasure to finally meet you. Thanks for coming today.

I was honestly stunned that he remembered my real name immediately after I introduced myself as Griswold from RotoJunkie.

The rest of the conversation was mostly me thanking him for handling that situation extremely well...but most of all for his support of my Quality Game Scores over the past 9 years and his emails to me to tell to not give up on my dreams.

He was extremely nice and wished me the best of luck with everything.

I just wanted to share this with all of you.

Hey, just my humbleness.

Gris

Hammer
03-06-2011, 11:28 PM
He just made money off you, dork. Of course he is going to be nice.

In the Corn
03-07-2011, 12:09 AM
He probably read your nametag, too. ;)

Cool story, gris!

Judge Jude
03-07-2011, 12:17 AM
Yeah, Ron is a pretty "Zen" guy, I think.

Someone making an offhand critical comment is not necessarily going to set off his buttons (granting that we all have bad days, of course). I was not surprised he handled that 'back in the day' as he did, and glad you were so willing to talk through the situation.

Lucky
03-07-2011, 12:39 AM
I've never met him, but I used to talk to him on the phone every so often back when it was a really small operation, and he always seemed nice.

Most of the guys I have met in connection with fantasy baseball have been nice. Merv with Rotolab is a super guy, and seems nice beyond just wanting your business. I still remember talking to Mike Oliveto from Allstar Stats back in either 1998 or 1999, and he was extremely nice.

I think most people who get in the business end of it start out loving baseball and then loving fantasy baseball. Or at least I think it was that way in the old days. I don't know much about the new crowd, except for Jason, and he's a good guy. And, of course, Byron and Bhob are good guys. (Byron, I'm not going to mention Ric this time.)

griswold
03-07-2011, 08:51 AM
He just made money off you, dork. Of course he is going to be nice.

Yeah I realized the nice part...I was more impressed that he remembered my full name....and there were no name tags. :)

Trautdiggity
03-07-2011, 09:06 AM
I won't go into the history of Griswold vs. Shandler, but most of the Junkies know the story.

However, today I went to the First Pitch in Cleveland and had my first ever face-to-face meeting with Ron Shandler.

The first sentence out of Ron's mouth overwhelmed me with joy.

It went like this:

Gris: Hi, Ron...it's been 9 years since we first met on RotoJunkie. I'm Griswold.

Ron: Oh yeah, Bob Lung, right? Yeah, it's a pleasure to finally meet you. Thanks for coming today.

I was honestly stunned that he remembered my real name immediately after I introduced myself as Griswold from RotoJunkie.

The rest of the conversation was mostly me thanking him for handling that situation extremely well...but most of all for his support of my Quality Game Scores over the past 9 years and his emails to me to tell to not give up on my dreams.

He was extremely nice and wished me the best of luck with everything.

I just wanted to share this with all of you.

Hey, just my humbleness.

Gris

Did you at least get to second base?

griswold
03-07-2011, 09:32 AM
Did you at least get to second base?

I didn't feel any reason for PDA at that point. :)

Wonderboy
03-07-2011, 09:45 AM
Most of the guys I have met in connection with fantasy baseball have been nice. Merv with Rotolab is a super guy, and seems nice beyond just wanting your business.

I'll second that. Also Greg Ambrosis (sp?), and all the guys at RotoWire.


I still remember talking to Mike Oliveto from Allstar Stats back in either 1998 or 1999, and he was extremely nice.

Wow, All Star Stats sure went down hill fast once he left. I wish he'd start up a new service, but I imagine there is still a non-compete clause in effect.

Moonlight J
03-07-2011, 10:05 AM
It may take awhile to break through the ice with the "experts" but I can tell you to a man they're all awesome guys once you get to know them. My first trip to Tout, Cory Schwartz and Phil Hertz were the only guys I could really converse with but now, it has quickly become like a family reunion when we get together in NYC.

Midnight Otter
03-07-2011, 10:26 AM
I didn't feel any reason for PDA at that point. :)

Did you tell him you drafted him in the 2011 RJ Deadpool?

Grinch
03-07-2011, 11:02 AM
Yeah, met him at First Pitch NY last year--all the 'experts' were friendly. Spent a fair amount of time talking with Rick Wilton. These guys are us, they just took a different direction---instead of competition, they went for career.

griswold
03-07-2011, 11:03 AM
Did you tell him you drafted him in the 2011 RJ Deadpool?

LOL....he appears to be healthy....not good value there....very low key guy.

Judge Jude
03-07-2011, 11:20 AM
"Wow, All Star Stats sure went down hill fast once he left."

They did, but they're pretty much back to that level now...

griswold
03-07-2011, 11:27 AM
Yeah, met him at First Pitch NY last year--all the 'experts' were friendly. Spent a fair amount of time talking with Rick Wilton. These guys are us, they just took a different direction---instead of competition, they went for career.

Rick was on the DL Ron said yesterday and so Rick wasn't there.

I spoke with Matt Beagle quite a bit.

I learned alot from there as well as helping to support some of ideas and strategies for the PONY draft this weekend.

DJBeasties
03-07-2011, 12:13 PM
I love HQ and my personal favorite is Ray Murphy. Always helpful, personable and attentive.

I met Ron in Boston (along with Zola) and they were both very nice.

heyelander
03-07-2011, 01:03 PM
All these guys you mentioned may be great, but I'm not sure I would generalize it to the fantasy baseball community. In my experience all the peep's I've come in contact with over at Baseball Prospectus have been complete douches.

SeaDogStat
03-07-2011, 01:10 PM
All these guys you mentioned may be great, but I'm not sure I would generalize it to the fantasy baseball community. In my experience all the peep's I've come in contact with over at Baseball Prospectus have been complete douches.

Do you find that the douche-ness is a requirement for employment or they become douches once hired? :confused:

Midnight Otter
03-07-2011, 01:41 PM
Do you find that the douche-ness is a requirement for employment or they become douches once hired? :confused:

The age old nature vs. nurture question, eh?

Wonderboy
03-07-2011, 01:55 PM
"Wow, All Star Stats sure went down hill fast once he left."

They did, but they're pretty much back to that level now...

Good to hear. We left them years ago -- just too expensive and the customer service sucked. Now all the web sites have the same features at half the cost or more.

Kevin Seitzer
03-07-2011, 02:09 PM
All these guys you mentioned may be great, but I'm not sure I would generalize it to the fantasy baseball community. In my experience all the peep's I've come in contact with over at Baseball Prospectus have been complete douches.

Amen to that!

Wait...

Fresno Bob
03-07-2011, 02:45 PM
All these guys you mentioned may be great, but I'm not sure I would generalize it to the fantasy baseball community. In my experience all the peep's I've come in contact with over at Baseball Prospectus have been complete douches.

especially when they are taking my money in poker during the AFL! (of course, solo-smoking so much stank that people thought there was a skunk outside didn't play any part in my poor poker play....)

Moonlight J
03-07-2011, 03:01 PM
Amen to that!

Wait...

Indeed :)

I can only speak to Normandin, Jaffe, and (formerly) Sheehan. All are great guys, even if Sheehan can't find a diner open in NYC at 3am on a Sunday.

DJBeasties
03-07-2011, 03:12 PM
All these guys you mentioned may be great, but I'm not sure I would generalize it to the fantasy baseball community. In my experience all the peep's I've come in contact with over at Baseball Prospectus have been complete douches.

In my experience, there is a lot of douchiness in general when it comes to baseball writers. My issue sometimes are the bloggers who are all wannabe junior journalists and all take turns washing each other's balls and thumbs-upping everything each other does.

It's not everyone but it gets old to me and makes me want to stay out of that aspect in general.

I've never had any issues with BP guys or anyone at HQ but I also keep everyone at arm's length so I am sure that plays a role.

heyelander
03-07-2011, 03:34 PM
In my experience, there is a lot of douchiness in general when it comes to baseball writers.

Eh, I was just busting on Kev, with pleasing collateral damage to MJ. :)

Lucky
03-07-2011, 05:44 PM
All these guys you mentioned may be great, but I'm not sure I would generalize it to the fantasy baseball community. In my experience all the peep's I've come in contact with over at Baseball Prospectus have been complete douches.

Baseball Prospectus can hardly be called part of the fantasy baseball community. For years, they refused to address in any meaningful way the demands of the fantasy player. Finally, and only recently, they began to list dollar values and have "fantasy baseball friendly" areas of their online service. The attitude I got from them was that they didn't like fantasy players (we're beneath them), but the marketplace forced them to accommodate us to some extent.

Lucky
03-07-2011, 05:47 PM
In my experience, there is a lot of douchiness in general when it comes to baseball writers. My issue sometimes are the bloggers who are all wannabe junior journalists and all take turns washing each other's balls and thumbs-upping everything each other does.

It's not everyone but it gets old to me and makes me want to stay out of that aspect in general.

I've never had any issues with BP guys or anyone at HQ but I also keep everyone at arm's length so I am sure that plays a role.

Wow. After 25 years as a player, I became a blog contributor last week. Nobody told me I'd have to wash anyone's balls. I need to take a look at that contract again.:confused:

heyelander
03-07-2011, 05:52 PM
Wow. After 25 years as a player, I became a blog contributor last week. Nobody told me I'd have to wash anyone's balls. I need to take a look at that contract again.:confused:

that's how they git ya.

DJBeasties
03-07-2011, 05:57 PM
Wow. After 25 years as a player, I became a blog contributor last week. Nobody told me I'd have to wash anyone's balls. I need to take a look at that contract again.:confused:

Yeah, keep the soap handy! lol

Kevin Seitzer
03-08-2011, 01:40 AM
The attitude I got from them was that they didn't like fantasy players (we're beneath them)

And a double amen to that! Can I get a second?

Kevin Seitzer
03-08-2011, 01:43 AM
Eh, I was just busting on Kev, with pleasing collateral damage to MJ. :)

If Sky ever showed his nose around these parts again, he could join the offended parties.