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Byron
01-24-2011, 03:14 PM
Any of my old cohorts here at RJ into shooting sports?

I've had my first AR15 for about 6 months now and I am addicted to it. Black Rifle Disease has me in its clutches. Went to a 3-gun Match two weeks ago to see what it was all about and can't wait to give it a try.

(Bfly, you can move along, nothing to see here)

Hammer
01-24-2011, 03:21 PM
I am seriously contemplating getting a rifle or two but it seems that joining a club to shoot ais expensive here in Jersey.

Byron
01-24-2011, 03:32 PM
Yeah, and not to mention that Jersey has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country. Down here it's about $15 to go a range and shoot all day. Or if you have access to land, you can just go shoot for free. I'm lucky enough to have a hunting lease that is about 640 acres so I can go shoot for free when I don't mind making the 2-hour drive to my place.

What kind of rifle did you have in mind?

Hammer
01-24-2011, 03:42 PM
I heard good things about mossberg guns, though I have yet to shoot them. I did shoot a benelli (not sure of the model) and it had a good feel to it without much kickback. Whats your preference?

BTW, howve you been pal?

Byron
01-24-2011, 03:50 PM
Oh, its been quite a couple of years... got remarried, laid off from my job twice and have a daughter about to become a teenager. Oh, I've sucked it when it comes to fantasy baseball performance for three straight years. So yeah...

OK, so it sounds like you're looking for a shotgun? Mossberg makes nice, low-cost shotguns. Benelli's are not so low cost. I've shot a Benelli M1 Super 90 tactical that was excellent. If you're looking for a home defense type weapon, I recommend either the low cost Remington 870 or higher end guns like a Mossberg 930SPX, the aforementioned Benelli or a FN SLP. The Remington is a pump action gun while the others I mentioned are all autoloaders. Most home defense shotguns have a 18-20" barrel.

If you're looking for a hunting shotgun, then there are even more options out there. Hunting shotguns usually have much longer barrels for reaching out and hitting birds.

Hammer
01-24-2011, 03:54 PM
yea, I shouldve mentioned I was refering to shotguns. I will take a look at those you suggested.


I dont have the heart to blow bambi's brains out so I will stick to objects that dont move or humans that I dont like. :)

Byron
01-24-2011, 04:03 PM
I understand that completely - shooting steel or clay pigeons with a shotgun is a ton of fun too. Take a look at Saiga shotguns too. I know Bob just got one. They are magazine fed as opposite to tube fed so they have their own unique challenges, but it's basically an AK47 that shoots 12 gauge shot gun shells.

heyelander
01-24-2011, 04:56 PM
(Bfly, you can move along, nothing to see here)

Oh, I don't know... I could see him getting into it...
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Byron
01-24-2011, 05:01 PM
I know he's a big fan of Hello Kitty but... oh wait, you mean... right. Yep, he's in!

B-Fly
01-24-2011, 05:51 PM
(Bfly, you can move along, nothing to see here)

Who me? I love guns. Can't get enough of 'em. Pow...pow...pow! Man, the rush!

Byron
01-24-2011, 05:59 PM
Who me? I love guns. Can't get enough of 'em. Pow...pow...pow! Man, the rush!

I know it isn't as big a rush as watching The Undertaker pile drive (does he do that?) someone but it's close.

In the Corn
01-25-2011, 12:31 AM
I have a friend that is looking at giving me one of his rifles. While I haven't done much shooting, all of my brothers in-law are serious hunters. I wouldn't mind going out with them and hunting down Bambi to provide some food for the family. I'm not real keen on having the gun in the house, but I'll figure that out when the time comes.

Kevin Seitzer
01-25-2011, 02:00 AM
I put together my own black rifle back in 1999 or 2000. It's been a few years since I've been to the range, though. I knew some guys who used to have an annual black rifle shoot in Glen Rose. I wonder if they are still doing that. I've lost touch with them, but they were good folks.

B-Fly
01-25-2011, 10:30 AM
I know it isn't as big a rush as watching The Undertaker pile drive (does he do that?) someone but it's close.

Seriously, I don't have a major problem with shooting for sport at a firing range or in a game preserve. My primary concerns are with guns on the street and in the community -- (i) gun crime and the lax laws or lax enforcement that result in a steady flow of guns to criminals, and (ii) the tragedies that tend to result with respect to guns - mostly handguns - that are ostensibly purchased and kept for home protection or personal protection.

Hammer
01-25-2011, 10:33 AM
Seriously, I don't have a major problem with shooting for sport at a firing range or in a game preserve. My primary concerns are with guns on the street and in the community -- (i) gun crime and the lax laws or lax enforcement that result in a steady flow of guns to criminals, and (ii) the tragedies that tend to result with respect to guns - mostly handguns - that are ostensibly purchased and kept for home protection or personal protection.

do you have an issue with people having firearms for propert protection?

B-Fly
01-25-2011, 10:44 AM
do you have an issue with people having firearms for propert protection?

In practice, yes. My assessment of the available evidence (although I recognize that there's no really clear data) is that when citizens try to take "protection of home, self and others" into their own hands by keeping firearms in their home or on their person, it results in far more tragedy than triumph...accidental deaths, mistaken identities, suicides, crimes of passion, etc.

Byron
01-26-2011, 06:59 PM
I put together my own black rifle back in 1999 or 2000. It's been a few years since I've been to the range, though. I knew some guys who used to have an annual black rifle shoot in Glen Rose. I wonder if they are still doing that. I've lost touch with them, but they were good folks.

Just added a new Magpul CTR stock to mine today... it's getting closer to where I want it.

http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz8/bdjncox/CTR.jpg

chancellor
01-26-2011, 10:55 PM
I have a friend that is looking at giving me one of his rifles. While I haven't done much shooting, all of my brothers in-law are serious hunters. I wouldn't mind going out with them and hunting down Bambi to provide some food for the family. I'm not real keen on having the gun in the house, but I'll figure that out when the time comes.

ITC, do you have much of a problem with Chronic Wasting Disease in the deer population by you?

Bob Kohm
01-27-2011, 07:28 AM
Problem with black rifles seems to be the cost of ammo. My buddy just picked up a can of 500 7.62 rounds for his -47 and it was a "bargain" at $155. That's a lot of money to pass rounds through the barrel at paper targets and jugs of water.

Kevin Seitzer
01-27-2011, 10:13 AM
Problem with black rifles seems to be the cost of ammo. My buddy just picked up a can of 500 7.62 rounds for his -47 and it was a "bargain" at $155. That's a lot of money to pass rounds through the barrel at paper targets and jugs of water.

It's been a while since I purchased, but I think .223 ammo for the AR-15 is cheaper than 7.62 ammo for the AK-47. And secondly, 500 rounds will last you quite a while if you're just plinking.

Bob Kohm
01-27-2011, 10:34 AM
It's been a while since I purchased, but I think .223 ammo for the AR-15 is cheaper than 7.62 ammo for the AK-47. And secondly, 500 rounds will last you quite a while if you're just plinking.

Heh, it's about a half day of shooting at the farm :(

I'm thinking that nice inexpensive shells for my Saiga and maybe in the near future handgun rounds are a much cheaper way to have fun :)

Anybody shoot pistols? I have big hands (and hate plasticky Glocks) so I'm looking at either buying a 1911 or going more bells and whistles with a Sig although I need to look at and hold a CZ75. Any thoughts on a quality medium-large frame automatic largely for range use?

Byron
01-27-2011, 11:37 AM
Heh, it's about a half day of shooting at the farm :(

I'm thinking that nice inexpensive shells for my Saiga and maybe in the near future handgun rounds are a much cheaper way to have fun :)

Anybody shoot pistols? I have big hands (and hate plasticky Glocks) so I'm looking at either buying a 1911 or going more bells and whistles with a Sig although I need to look at and hold a CZ75. Any thoughts on a quality medium-large frame automatic largely for range use?

5.56 NATO is actually very cheap if you buy steel cased Russian stuff. 20 rounds for less than $4 usually. And although it is usually really dirty ammo, most decent AR15 rifles can cycle it just fine. The problem is that when you have 30 round magazines that you can empty in less than 20 seconds, it can get expensive if you want it to be. But again, the ammo itself is about as cheap as you'll find.

For handguns, you can't go wrong with a Sig. Steel instead of polymer and a great reputation for reliability and accuracy. Best advice is to try and go to a range that rents guns and try them out before you purchase. 1911's are terrific too, just can get pricey.

I'm in the market right now for a .40S&W caliber handgun and I'm considering Glock 22/23, Springfield XDm and, of course, Sig Sauers.

Bob, I've shot a CZ in 9mm before and it was a good gun. Steel frame and solid, much like a Beretta 92.

I should note that the only handgun I currently own is a Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44 Magnum. It is a beast, and not one that is necessarily fun to shoot all day long :)

Byron
01-27-2011, 11:42 AM
I'm thinking that nice inexpensive shells for my Saiga and maybe in the near future handgun rounds are a much cheaper way to have fun :)

Bob, have you shot the S12 much yet? I'm intrigued by the magazine fed shotgun and would love to hear a report from you.

Bob Kohm
01-27-2011, 01:41 PM
I'm still learning my way around it and think I'm going to have a friend mod it up a bit-- I have the Sporter config and the trigger is pretty flimsy... not so great in a gun I bought specifically because it was a semi-auto
. I may or may not go for the "cool" stuff to make it more Ak-like-- it's primarily going to be used for sporting clays and the like so the tactical grips and folding stock would really be much more for looks than function.

The two recoil settings are nice and it doesn't kick nearly as much as the old Winchester pump gun I have if you set the selector correctly. I've only had it out a couple of times so I'm still feeling my way around. I will say that it's a hell of a lot of fun to just blast away with the thing :) As I get more used to it I'll let you know my thoughts. It does garner a share of looks when I've taken it to the range, I can say that much!

Bob Kohm
01-27-2011, 01:49 PM
For handguns, you can't go wrong with a Sig. Steel instead of polymer and a great reputation for reliability and accuracy. Best advice is to try and go to a range that rents guns and try them out before you purchase. 1911's are terrific too, just can get pricey.

I'm in the market right now for a .40S&W caliber handgun and I'm considering Glock 22/23, Springfield XDm and, of course, Sig Sauers.

Bob, I've shot a CZ in 9mm before and it was a good gun. Steel frame and solid, much like a Beretta 92.

I should note that the only handgun I currently own is a Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44 Magnum. It is a beast, and not one that is necessarily fun to shoot all day long :)

That's my thing against Glock-- hate the heft of the polymer guns. It just doesn't feel right to me. It's kind of a Joe Montana situation-- I appreciate the excellence of the thing, but I still don't like it.

The Sig is probably overkill for a range gun, but I like the way it feels-- fits my hand nicely and just reads solid. I've shot the 226 and enjoyed it. The 1911s appeal to the history buff in me, though... and talk about a solid gun, lol. Just a big brick of steel. People have been recommending the -75 to me and, as you said, I'm going to grab one next time I hit the pistol range and give it a feel.

I'm guessing that 24 rounds through that Blackhawk leaves your shoulder feeling like you've been bench pressing a Honda Civic all day ;)

Byron
01-27-2011, 03:26 PM
That's my thing against Glock-- hate the heft of the polymer guns. It just doesn't feel right to me. It's kind of a Joe Montana situation-- I appreciate the excellence of the thing, but I still don't like it.

The Sig is probably overkill for a range gun, but I like the way it feels-- fits my hand nicely and just reads solid. I've shot the 226 and enjoyed it. The 1911s appeal to the history buff in me, though... and talk about a solid gun, lol. Just a big brick of steel. People have been recommending the -75 to me and, as you said, I'm going to grab one next time I hit the pistol range and give it a feel.

I'm guessing that 24 rounds through that Blackhawk leaves your shoulder feeling like you've been bench pressing a Honda Civic all day ;)

check out Kimber Ultra Carry 2 --- its a "commander" size 1911 and absolutely beautiful... not cheap mind you... but beautiful and accurate.

24 rounds with the Blackhawk - well, the should is fine but the wrist and fingers are in a world of hurt especially when I shoot my hot 305gr lead flat nose ammunition. But it will leave a big hole in whatever you point it at.

Byron
01-27-2011, 03:28 PM
I'm still learning my way around it and think I'm going to have a friend mod it up a bit-- I have the Sporter config and the trigger is pretty flimsy... not so great in a gun I bought specifically because it was a semi-auto
. I may or may not go for the "cool" stuff to make it more Ak-like-- it's primarily going to be used for sporting clays and the like so the tactical grips and folding stock would really be much more for looks than function.

The two recoil settings are nice and it doesn't kick nearly as much as the old Winchester pump gun I have if you set the selector correctly. I've only had it out a couple of times so I'm still feeling my way around. I will say that it's a hell of a lot of fun to just blast away with the thing :) As I get more used to it I'll let you know my thoughts. It does garner a share of looks when I've taken it to the range, I can say that much!

I bet it does! There's a guy on one of the Texas hunting forums that I frequent who has done some outstanding "tacticool" mods on those guns. It made me want one but I'm also leaning towards the Mossberg 930SPX or the FN SLP. Something about the old reliable tube fed magazine just makes me more assured.

Lucky
02-04-2011, 05:41 AM
I've always been an enthusiast, but only Types One and Two. Black rifles never got the hook in me, but I can see the added appeal of being able to customize them a thousand different ways.

I've started teaching Robert gun safety and the responsibilities of gun ownership. He's 13, and he got his first rifle for Christmas.

I used to love shooting handguns, but the .44 mags and even the .357 mags took their toll on my shoulder. Plus, the cost of ammo makes AR15 rounds seem cheap. Now I'm content to plink with my 9mm and a collection of .22 pistols and revolvers. My favorite is still a long barrel Ruger Single Six with a convertible cylinder for shooting magnum rounds.

Fortunately for me, there is a shooting range about 200 yards from my Courtroom, so I can be there within minutes of finishing the Court day. Great way to relax.

JudeBaldo
02-04-2011, 02:11 PM
I grew up in a military family so I was always around guns. Probably 50 or so. Worked on a bullet loader as a summer job once. Growing up I use to shoot a lot at mostly indoor ranges, though we would use outdoor ranges to fix our sights. My first experience was on a Colt Army issue 1911. As a 12 year-old the weight plus the recoil use to make my forearms sore. I've shot pretty much everything you could shoot. These last few years, I'd had too many other more interesting things to do than to shoot and I haven't really missed it.

Jefe
02-04-2011, 02:13 PM
I'm not a fan of Glocks, either. I love my Beretta 92FS. Its grip is a little fatter than a 1911 and it feels just right.

Byron
02-05-2011, 08:00 PM
I had a chance to trade for a Beretta in .40S&W but held off. I'm considering trying to start shooting in 3-Gun Competitions and definitely need a handgun. I've shot Glocks and like them and to my surprise about 90% of the shooters I talked to at the last match all use Glocks either in 9mm or .40. The rest use 1911 in .45ACP.

I still love my .44 mag revolver, but as others have noted, it's kicks your butt with recoil, ammo is expensive and it's extremely heavy when worn holstered to my belt.

Lucky, I'm so jealous that your range is that close to work. I'd be all over doing that after work just for a stress reliever.

JudeBaldo
02-05-2011, 08:11 PM
I had a chance to trade for a Beretta in .40S&W but held off. I'm considering trying to start shooting in 3-Gun Competitions and definitely need a handgun. I've shot Glocks and like them and to my surprise about 90% of the shooters I talked to at the last match all use Glocks either in 9mm or .40. The rest use 1911 in .45ACP.

I still love my .44 mag revolver, but as others have noted, it's kicks your butt with recoil, ammo is expensive and it's extremely heavy when worn holstered to my belt.

Lucky, I'm so jealous that your range is that close to work. I'd be all over doing that after work just for a stress reliever.

If that's your goal, I say go with a .38 Super

Byron
02-05-2011, 08:16 PM
Well, 3-Gun Shooting and also self-defense. I honestly don't have any rationale reasoning for wanting the .40 other than everyone that owns one that I talk to loves it.

I shot one and it felt really comfortable. The recoil was manageable and allowed for a quick reset for the next shot. And it has more knockdown power/energy than a 9mm. Who knows...

Byron
02-24-2011, 03:08 PM
I think I'm the only person that cares about this thread, but oh well...

Here's the newest build just completed. Lightweight and accurate. Bring on the zombies...

http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz8/bdjncox/DSC_0161.jpg

Bob Kohm
02-24-2011, 03:12 PM
I think I'm the only person that cares about this thread, but oh well...

Here's the newest build just completed. Lightweight and accurate. Bring on the zombies...

http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz8/bdjncox/DSC_0161.jpg

Details?

Byron
02-24-2011, 03:16 PM
16" White Oak Stainless Steel Match Grade barrel with mid-length gas system
Rainier Arms low profile gas block
VTAC Extreme 13" handguard with modular rails
Spikes Tactical lower receiver
Magpul CTR Mil-Spec stock
Leupold Mark AR 1.5x4x20 optics
Burris PEPR scope mount
Harris BR Bipod with LaRue Quick Detach mount
Hogue grip

Bob Kohm
02-24-2011, 03:37 PM
Bet that cost you a dollar or ten ;)

Kevin Seitzer
02-24-2011, 03:39 PM
sweet

Byron
02-24-2011, 03:57 PM
Bet that cost you a dollar or ten ;)

Just did it in pieces when I had the money saved up for one part, I'd buy in. Save more... repeat.