Baja Arizona, 51st State?

[DMT]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/liberals-southern-arizona-seek-form-state-130257516.html

Not sure why they're limiting this to Southern AZ...Northern AZ is also very liberal; it's just the a$$holes in the center (mostly Phoenix) that ruin the state.

[senorsheep]

Heh... reminds me of all the south central Illinoisians yearning to break free from the corrupt, Democrat-dominated Chicago.

[Moonlight J]

So would they just be come 'Na" while the rest of the state became "Arizo"

Oh wait, Arizo sounds too ethnic, that would never pass

:ducks:

[BuckyBuckner]

I'm sure there are a lot of states that would love to do this. NYC is far more democratic than the rest of the state. Austin TX is miles apart from Dallas. I'm sure the list goes on. Next thing we know there are way more Senators in Washington and even less will get done.

[Kevin Seitzer]

I'm sure there are a lot of states that would love to do this. NYC is far more democratic than the rest of the state. Austin TX is miles apart from Dallas. I'm sure the list goes on. Next thing we know there are way more Senators in Washington and even less will get done.

Austin is more liberal than the rest of the state, but I've heard zero talk about splitting off from the rest of Texas. Austin is pretty integrated with its more conservative suburbs and surrounding counties. If Texas were to split for some reason it would sooner be West Texas wanting to be free of the big city interference.

Having said that, I completely agree that this movement in Arizona is a non-starter.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Austin is more liberal than the rest of the state, but I've heard zero talk about splitting off from the rest of Texas. Austin is pretty integrated with its more conservative suburbs and surrounding counties. If Texas were to split for some reason it would sooner be West Texas wanting to be free of the big city interference.

Having said that, I completely agree that this movement in Arizona is a non-starter.

damn.... I was going to be a rebel and drive through NO Arizona to visit the new state and NOT take my ID!!

[BuckyBuckner]

Austin is more liberal than the rest of the state, but I've heard zero talk about splitting off from the rest of Texas. Austin is pretty integrated with its more conservative suburbs and surrounding counties. If Texas were to split for some reason it would sooner be West Texas wanting to be free of the big city interference.

Having said that, I completely agree that this movement in Arizona is a non-starter.

OK, that's good that there hasn't been any talk. I had no idea, I was just throwing out the first example that came to mind. However, if this were to pass and we had a 51st state I'm sure other states will want to do the same. It's all about monkey-see-monkey-do.

[cardboardbox]

While we're at it, maybe we can somehow gerrymander the entire country into separate liberal and conservative partitions.

Maybe leave a small portion for independents.

[Bob Kohm]

I'm sure there are a lot of states that would love to do this. NYC is far more democratic than the rest of the state. Austin TX is miles apart from Dallas. I'm sure the list goes on. Next thing we know there are way more Senators in Washington and even less will get done.

Every time some idiot in Upstate NY comes up with this idea-- "Let's kick NYC/Westchester/Rockland/Lon Guyland out of our state"-- they're reminded that when you split a state you need to fund two state bureaucracies out of the remnants of one state. In NY, we also remind them that the reservoirs in the Catskills are the sovereign property of New York City and that without NYC and the affluent suburbs your tax base is... uhm... Buffalo?

Splitting states has been a bad idea in every case advanced so far nationwide. Hell, splitting counties doesn't even work-- just ask the dopes who were pushing to create Peconic County at the East End of Long Island.

[onejayhawk]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/liberals-so...130257516.html

Not sure why they're limiting this to Southern AZ...Northern AZ is also very liberal; it's just the a$$holes in the center (mostly Phoenix) that ruin the state.

Yes. Lets ignore the 5th largest city, just because of their politics. Its only .5% of the population. Throw in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio and Miami for good measure.

J

[BuckyBuckner]

Every time some idiot in Upstate NY comes up with this idea-- "Let's kick NYC/Westchester/Rockland/Lon Guyland out of our state"-- they're reminded that when you split a state you need to fund two state bureaucracies out of the remnants of one state. In NY, we also remind them that the reservoirs in the Catskills are the sovereign property of New York City and that without NYC and the affluent suburbs your tax base is... uhm... Buffalo?

Splitting states has been a bad idea in every case advanced so far nationwide. Hell, splitting counties doesn't even work-- just ask the dopes who were pushing to create Peconic County at the East End of Long Island.

I agree completely.

I watched a show last week on the History channel about how states got their boarders. It only went over a few of them and it was pretty interesting. One of them was about how they actually screwed up the Georgia/Tennessee boarder. It was supposed to be on the 35th parallel but the surveyor that measured it back in the 1800s or so screwed up. Georgia now wants it fixed cause they would then end up with a lake to draw water from and help Atlanta with all the droughts they go through. It's pretty interesting. Here's a link to more info about it.

[B-Fly]

Every time some idiot in Upstate NY comes up with this idea-- "Let's kick NYC/Westchester/Rockland/Lon Guyland out of our state"-- they're reminded that when you split a state you need to fund two state bureaucracies out of the remnants of one state.

That's why we need contraction. Dakota. Wymontaho. Kanbraska. Missibama.

[BuckyBuckner]

That's why we need contraction. Dakota. Wymontaho. Kanbraska. Missibama.

You sound like Bud Selig. Oh wait, in this case you might be right. I'd say the first two would be a great idea. I mean it would effect, what, 37 people?

[joncarlos]

Every time some idiot in Upstate NY comes up with this idea-- "Let's kick NYC/Westchester/Rockland/Lon Guyland out of our state"-- they're reminded that when you split a state you need to fund two state bureaucracies out of the remnants of one state. In NY, we also remind them that the reservoirs in the Catskills are the sovereign property of New York City and that without NYC and the affluent suburbs your tax base is... uhm... Buffalo?

Exactly. I love when it's the upstaters that propose it, and the NYC crowd gets really excited and makes them rethink their plan. It's like when someone nominates Mark Grudzielanek for $8... everyone else just says "you have fun with that"

[Bob Kohm]

Exactly. I love when it's the upstaters that propose it, and the NYC crowd gets really excited and makes them rethink their plan. It's like when someone nominates Mark Grudzielanek for $8... everyone else just says "you have fun with that"

My Mother-in-Law is a GOP town mayor in the Adirondacks and was president of the NYS Association of Counties during one of those "two New Yorks" drives by the upstaters. They look at Medicaid and the huge amount of state funding for that and education that goes downstate and get all hot and bothered about how unfair it all is and decide they want to secede, convincing themselves that they can do so much better without that burden but then the budget numbers come back... and they discover that without downstate, Albany is a smaller version of Birmingham and the rest of the state they've created is as poor as Alabama plus they have to start from scratch at building a bureaucracy because the notional Downstate state lays claim to a huge chunk of state assets.

Now Fly's idea may have some merit-- Intentucky and Arklahoma sound pretty good to me, as does the Great State of Corn-- you knock out like six or seven state bureaucracies right there and you save on building costs on a new State Capital by just building a Corn Palace