So this is what passes for political leadership in Kentucky

[Wonderboy]

There have been a rash of shootings in the poor section of Louisville lately, so the Governor comes into town with a big proposal to help. At the press conference, here is what he lays out as his plan:

http://herald-review.com/news/national/kentucky-governor-calls-for-prayer-groups-to-combat-violence/article_e054691d-b657-5815-ac76-8bc70d78c217.html

Even some pastors in the audience got up and walked out on him.

[GwynnInTheHall]

There have been a rash of shootings in the poor section of Louisville lately, so the Governor comes into town with a big proposal to help. At the press conference, here is what he lays out as his plan:

http://herald-review.com/news/national/kentucky-governor-calls-for-prayer-groups-to-combat-violence/article_e054691d-b657-5815-ac76-8bc70d78c217.html

Even some pastors in the audience got up and walked out on him.

If he doesn't have a police escort during his Prayer walk, they could be holding a special election soon.

[Wonderboy]

If he doesn't have a police escort during his Prayer walk, they could be holding a special election soon.

You don't know how close you are to being right. About an hour after he left, there was another shooting right up the street. And I'm not kidding.

[GwynnInTheHall]

You don't know how close you are to being right. About an hour after he left, there was another shooting right up the street. And I'm not kidding.

I have no doubt there are asshats who'd love the opportunity to take a shot at someone as high profile as him.

[revo]

This likely will have the same success as having God combat global warming.

Jeez, how are people -- including elected people -- so friggin' ignorant?

[GwynnInTheHall]

This likely will have the same success as having God combat global warming.

Jeez, how are people -- including elected people -- so friggin' ignorant?

I think quite a bit of it is willful when it comes to matters of faith. My wife is Ex JW and the way they manage their religion is very anti education, anti contact with information--There are other faiths, which do this to a greater/lesser extent and to be clear, not all engage in this kind of mental manipulation and not all people of faith subscribe to it so deeply.


Religious folks make up a Bigly chunk of 45s base and for a good reason.

[TranaGreg]

I think quite a bit of it is willful when it comes to matters of faith. My wife is Ex JW and the way they manage their religion is very anti education, anti contact with information--There are other faiths, which do this to a greater/lesser extent and to be clear, not all engage in this kind of mental manipulation and not all people of faith subscribe to it so deeply.


Religious folks make up a Bigly chunk of 45s base and for a good reason.

At an individual level, I get that; what I have a hard time comprehending is that the voting majority of a state - even Kentucky - would endorse that mindset. We spent some time in Kentucky last year, driving through horse country, visiting some small towns and several of the whisky distilleries (which I highly recommend!) ... most people we encountered were reasonable, educated ... I can only guess that there's a hidden majority that support this type of "leadership". Must be tough for the rest of the people there (I'm reminded of one of the tour guides from Woodford Reserve - a young, heavily tattooed, bearded tough looking guy that knew more about the biology & physics of whiskey making than anyone else I've ever encountered ... the guy was a freakin' genius in his field ... I wonder what a guy like that thinks when he hears about this kind of shit)

[Moonlight J]

Jesus take the wheel...and run over these idiots

[chancellor]

If he doesn't have a police escort during his Prayer walk, they could be holding a special election soon.

"You must be the change you want to see in the world."

I think that's someone's tagline, but maybe no.

[Sour Masher]

At an individual level, I get that; what I have a hard time comprehending is that the voting majority of a state - even Kentucky - would endorse that mindset. We spent some time in Kentucky last year, driving through horse country, visiting some small towns and several of the whisky distilleries (which I highly recommend!) ... most people we encountered were reasonable, educated ... I can only guess that there's a hidden majority that support this type of "leadership". Must be tough for the rest of the people there (I'm reminded of one of the tour guides from Woodford Reserve - a young, heavily tattooed, bearded tough looking guy that knew more about the biology & physics of whiskey making than anyone else I've ever encountered ... the guy was a freakin' genius in his field ... I wonder what a guy like that thinks when he hears about this kind of shit)

I lived in Louisville for 5 years and met lots of folks like you describe. Lotta good people there, like everywhere. But I also met a lot of folks who would support someone like this guy and Trump. My next door neighbor was a creationist and a complete devotee of Sean Hannity. I used to try to establish middle ground, but anytime I didn't express views that were 100% in line with his own, he'd get agitated and say the devil was acting through me to sway him from the truth. This, mind you, was when I'd bring up things seemingly as benign as climate change, not abortion or some such. He also politely pointed out frequently that as a tax payer, he paid my salary, and that my place of work, the University of Louisville, was indoctrinating young minds with liberal ideas that came straight from communists and the devil . We had a generally cordial relationship, but he loved steering toward religion and politics, and on both issues, his constant time in the Fox News echo chamber made him completely hardened to any new information or ideas. Anything that challenged his orthodoxy was heresy.

We had neighbors like that, because we lived on the outskirts of town, on the southern border. Just 5 miles south of us, and it was a whole other world. As you note, it isn't as simple and cut and dry as urban vs rural, but that was a good, broad rule of thumb during my time there.

[GwynnInTheHall]

"You must be the change you want to see in the world."

I think that's someone's tagline, but maybe no.

So you're ok with people changing the modern world back into the times when Gods ruled the day?


Excellent, oh and BTW try not spraining anything while you attempt to twist my words into something they're not.

[GwynnInTheHall]

I lived in Louisville for 5 years and met lots of folks like you describe. Lotta good people there, like everywhere. But I also met a lot of folks who would support someone like this guy and Trump. My next door neighbor was a creationist and a complete devotee of Sean Hannity. I used to try to establish middle ground, but anytime I didn't express views that were 100% in line with his own, he'd get agitated and say the devil was acting through me to sway him from the truth. This, mind you, was when I'd bring up things seemingly as benign as climate change, not abortion or some such. He also politely pointed out frequently that as a tax payer, he paid my salary, and that my place of work, the University of Louisville, was indoctrinating young minds with liberal ideas that came straight from communists and the devil . We had a generally cordial relationship, but he loved steering toward religion and politics, and on both issues, his constant time in the Fox News echo chamber made him completely hardened to any new information or ideas. Anything that challenged his orthodoxy was heresy.

We had neighbors like that, because we lived on the outskirts of town, on the southern border. Just 5 miles south of us, and it was a whole other world. As you note, it isn't as simple and cut and dry as urban vs rural, but that was a good, broad rule of thumb during my time there.

I have a relative who refers to Trump as a Godly man. When I bring up his transgressions (infidelity, sexual assault lack of respect for women) she says the women were the cause and that Men are ordained by God to dominate women. She's relatively smart and educated, but how do you combat a perspective like that? One driven into her by the church?

I have no answer for those mindsets.

Godly man--JFC

[DMT]

I have a relative who refers to Trump as a Godly man. When I bring up his transgressions (infidelity, sexual assault lack of respect for women) she says the women were the cause and that Men are ordained by God to dominate women. She's relatively smart and educated, but how do you combat a perspective like that? One driven into her by the church?

I have no answer for those mindsets.

Godly man--JFC

"Relatively smart" is a very complimentary way to describe someone who would hold such views IMO.

[GwynnInTheHall]

"Relatively smart" is a very complimentary way to describe someone who would hold such views IMO.

She is an Inlaw, I must remain polite.........

[Redbirds Fan]

This likely will have the same success as having God combat global warming.

Jeez, how are people -- including elected people -- so friggin' ignorant?

Just for the record (and I'm not dogging you here, revo, just using your post as a convenient jumping off spot)...I have no problem with people who are outwardly religious. But I religion is to me sort of like a pocketwatch...I don't think you should pull it out constantly just to show it off.

Some of the best people I have ever known were devout. But the three biggest scoundrels I have had the displeasure to know all claimed to be preachers of the Gospel.

In my home state, the top rated school was 'loosley' affiliated with the Methodist Church. Another highly rated school was closely affiliated with the Church of Christ. The former was a hotbed of liberalism. The latter was "no dancing" "no boys and girls in the same pool" conservative. (Guess which one I attended.)

The point I'm trying to make is that you have to look at the person. Matt Bevin is an a**hole, but he would probably be one even if he wasn't religious.