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  • Congress Overrides POTUS Veto on 9/11/Saudi Bill

    Here we go. Congress, under extreme public pressure, pushes back against Obama.

    ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero


    Obama has never had a veto overridden by Congress.

    Ironically, the White House promptly called the veto the most embarrassing action by lawmakers in years. What it failed to comprehend is that it was Obama's veto of the Sept 11 bill that was the most embarrassing action by a US president, perhaps ever.
    The Saudi Embassy and a high-priced team of lobbyists it hired waged an intense campaign to persuade lawmakers to sustain the override, but it came too late. Surprisingly, the White House seemed to have recognized it as a lost battle and put in less effort, according to Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, who on Tuesday characterized the administration’s lobbying effort as zero.

    Senators who are worried about the risk posed by the bill to U.S. personnel in foreign countries huddled on the Senate floor Tuesday to discuss passing additional legislation to protect them. These lawmakers acknowledged the 9/11 victims bill had too much political momentum to stop weeks before Election Day, especially after both chambers approved it unanimously.

    “The focus right now is how can we over a period of time create some corrective legislation to deal with whatever blowback might occur,” Corker said. Ryan told reporters last week that he had concerns with the legislation but said he would nevertheless allow it to come to the floor.

    “I’m going to let Congress work its will because that’s what Congress does. I do think the votes are there for the override,” he said.

    The veto override is a big win for Schumer, whose home state bore the worst of the 9/11 attacks.

    “This bill is near and dear to my heart as a New Yorker, because it would allow the victims of 9/11 to pursue some small measure of justice — finally giving them a legal avenue to hold accountable foreign sponsors of the terrorist attack that took from them the lives of their loved ones,” Schumer said on the floor. He co-sponsored the bill when it was first introduced in December 2009 by the late Sen. Arlen Specter (Pa.).

    Schumer revived the bill last year by teaming up with Cornyn, a fellow member of the Judiciary Committee. They overcame an early objection from colleagues by empowering the president to pause a lawsuit against a foreign government if the administration proves good-faith effort to reach a settlement are underway. The administration initially wanted unilateral authority to stop a lawsuit regardless of the status of negotiations, something the 9/11 families rejected.

    Efforts to override Obama’s vetoes of legislation authorizing construction of the Keystone XL pipeline and a special budget package dismantling the Affordable Care Act failed earlier this Congress.

  • #2
    97-1. Yikes

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    • #3
      Eld, I think you are being uncharacteristically measured in your summary of what Alex Jones is and represents--I can think of no adequate words to express my disdain for him and other so call "truth-tellers," who muddy our discourse with the wildest tabloid trash imaginable. Alex Jones and others like him, in their virulent spread of unsubstantiated nonsense as truth paved the way for the rise of Trump, who is like a paper mache pinata made up of cut up tabloids, glued together with bile and spray tan.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by eldiablo505
        I saw this news and never once thought to myself, "I wonder what that moron Alex Jones thinks about this." In fact, that guy and his sites are so unbelievably unreliable (crazy, psychopathic, paranoid, laughably ridiculous) that I feel compelled to double check with a legitimate source to make sure that this thing actually did happen. Not content with merely asserting that there is a Michelle Obama whitey tape, oh no, Alex Jones has asserted that Michelle Obama murdered Joan Rivers (this followed Jones' claim that Barack Obama was sworn in on a Quran - those kinds of things are connected in smart guy, Alex Jones land.) Yes, really. It's like a gossip rag ("Bat Boy Born in New Mexico!") for paranoid conspiracy weirdos.

        Edit: This piece of work, Jones, is part of Donald Trump's team. LOL.
        Edit II: I made the mistake of going to the comments - NEVER GO TO THE COMMENTS!!! But it's striking how much our own PaleoMan / SharpTalons sounds like the rest of the conspiracy gang over there. Is there like some school where you learn conspiracy-speak or something? It gives me the willies.
        Bat Boy WAS born in New Mexico!
        If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

        Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
        Martin Luther King, Jr.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by eldiablo505
          I saw this news and never once thought to myself, "I wonder what that moron Alex Jones thinks about this." In fact, that guy and his sites are so unbelievably unreliable (crazy, psychopathic, paranoid, laughably ridiculous) that I feel compelled to double check with a legitimate source to make sure that this thing actually did happen. Not content with merely asserting that there is a Michelle Obama whitey tape, oh no, Alex Jones has asserted that Michelle Obama murdered Joan Rivers (this followed Jones' claim that Barack Obama was sworn in on a Quran - those kinds of things are connected in smart guy, Alex Jones land.) Yes, really. It's like a gossip rag ("Bat Boy Born in New Mexico!") for paranoid conspiracy weirdos.

          Edit: This piece of work, Jones, is part of Donald Trump's team. LOL.
          Edit II: I made the mistake of going to the comments - NEVER GO TO THE COMMENTS!!! But it's striking how much our own PaleoMan / SharpTalons sounds like the rest of the conspiracy gang over there. Is there like some school where you learn conspiracy-speak or something? It gives me the willies.
          This is Zerohedge not Infowars. Zerohedge was founded by former hedge fund analyst Daniel Ivandjiiski. Zerohedge is largely a world financial blog.

          In 2009, shortly after the blog was founded, news reports identified Daniel Ivandjiiski, a Bulgarian-born former hedge-fund analyst who was barred from the industry for insider trading by FINRA in 2008, as the founder of the site, and reported that "Durden" was a pseudonym for Ivandjiiski.[4][5][6][1] One contributor, who spoke to New York magazine after an interview was arranged by Ivandjiiski, said that "up to 40" people were permitted to post under the "Durden" name.[4]
          Infowars looks like this.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by nots View Post
            97-1. Yikes
            You tell them Harry Reid

            http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...928-story.html

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            • #7
              Maybe it might make our officials less likely to bomb weddings if they knew they could be sued. I haven't read a whole lot about the bill, but anything that makes our foreign policy a little less Cowboy-esque might be a good thing, especially given the two Hawks currently running.

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              • #8
                I'm not a fan of lawyers, but if this bill can somehow peel the many layers away from the gross fabrication that the 911 Commission pushed, then I'm for it. Maybe this chain of events could lead to the subpoena of Prince Bandar and they could ask him why one of the terrorist handlers had his personal phone number.

                The presence of a contact number linked to a company associated with Prince Bandar bin Sultan in the phone log of an al-Qaeda suspect is 'one of the most stunning parts of the investigation', says the co-chair of the report

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                • #9
                  i think the way politicians did it and phrased it to their voters in ways like 'let the dice fall where they may', was mostly intended to talk to them anti-intellectually so they could get reelected.

                  that said, any way we can get SA to stop exporting their brand of religious militant ideology throughout the world is probably worth the circumstances.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by eldiablo505
                    Both Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are already expressing reservations about their participation in this veto override. McConnell is blaming President Obama for not making it clearer to legislators just what the unintended consequences of this bill might have been. This all came about less than 24 hours after the override.
                    Sounds like Brexit all over again--a bunch of people voted for something they didn't fully understand and now regret it.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by eldiablo505
                      Both Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are already expressing reservations about their participation in this veto override. McConnell is blaming President Obama for not making it clearer to legislators just what the unintended consequences of this bill might have been. This all came about less than 24 hours after the override.
                      stupid fuckers, Obama vetoed the bill for a reason, these guys just wanted to override a presidential veto....
                      "You know what's wrong with America? If I lovingly tongue a woman's nipple in a movie, it gets an "NC-17" rating, if I chop it off with a machete, it's an "R". That's what's wrong with America, man...."--Dennis Hopper

                      "One should judge a man mainly from his depravities. Virtues can be faked. Depravities are real." -- Klaus Kinski

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Fresno Bob View Post
                        stupid fuckers, Obama vetoed the bill for a reason, these guys just wanted to override a presidential veto....
                        Did the stupid Democrat fuckers just want to override a presidential veto, too?
                        "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
                        "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
                        "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."

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                        • #13
                          More on Prince Bandar and the obstruction by the Bush White House. I just love how Obama is covering Bush's ass as well as the Saudis like all loyal members of the plutocracy do. You don't get that type of job unless you are willing to be compliant.

                          Ever notice how successive presidents never really air the dirty laundry of their predecessors? It all dissipates into the ether in a seamless transition. Maybe if Trump wins, he can declassify everything and the citizenry can finally wake up.

                          In its report on the still-censored “28 pages” implicating the Saudi government in 9/11, “60 Minutes” last weekend said the Saudi role in the attacks has been “soft-pedaled” to protect America’s de…


                          Former FBI agent John Guandolo, who worked 9/11 and related al Qaeda cases out of the bureau’s Washington field office, says Bandar should have been a key suspect in the 9/11 probe.

                          “The Saudi ambassador funded two of the 9/11 hijackers through a third party,” Guandolo said. “He should be treated as a terrorist suspect, as should other members of the Saudi elite class who the US government knows are currently funding the global jihad.”

                          But Bandar held sway over the FBI.


                          After he met on Sept. 13, 2001, with President Bush in the White House, where the two old family friends shared cigars on the Truman Balcony, the FBI evacuated dozens of Saudi officials from multiple cities, including at least one Osama bin Laden family member on the terror watch list. Instead of interrogating the Saudis, FBI agents acted as security escorts for them, even though it was known at the time that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi citizens.

                          “The FBI was thwarted from interviewing the Saudis we wanted to interview by the White House,” said former FBI agent Mark Rossini, who was involved in the investigation of al Qaeda and the hijackers. The White House “let them off the hook.”
                          9/11 Commission member John Lehman was interested in the hijackers’ connections to Bandar, his wife and the Islamic affairs office at the embassy. But every time he tried to get information on that front, he was stonewalled by the White House.

                          “They were refusing to declassify anything having to do with Saudi Arabia,” Lehman was quoted as saying in the book, “The Commission.”
                          Last edited by ; 09-30-2016, 01:18 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Fresno Bob View Post
                            stupid fuckers, Obama vetoed the bill for a reason, these guys just wanted to override a presidential veto....
                            It was 97-1. That's an awful lot of Senators that 'just wanted to override a presidential veto'.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by eldiablo505
                              Yeah, not too many bills get passed with this amount of support. I'm still kind of unsure why this one got the support it did. I mean, even bills giving 9/11 first responders health care haven't been this popular.


                              This country's relationship with Saudi Arabia is complicated and frustrating. They are our allies but they're a human rights nightmare. They are ruled by a royal family who tend toward moderation compared to their populace. But it seems important to maintain an alliance within that region, given the instability of the nation-states and the proximity of war, nukes, etc.

                              But this bill wasn't even just about Saudi Arabia nor was it about the rights of 9/11 families. It was about eliminating the defense of sovereign immunity from lawsuits. That seems extremely far-reaching to me, if satisfying 9/11 families was the only goal.
                              It goes back to a deal Kissinger brokered in the mid 70s. A deal was struck with the Saudis predicated on the constant that the U.S. would buy their oil and in return, the Saudi sovereign wealth funds would invest heavily in our treasury market.
                              Last edited by ; 09-30-2016, 09:52 PM.

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